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Imca (Veteran)
#239151: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:03:45 PM

Watch the hash tags they are pushing, and take information coming out of them with a grain of salt until they fall back off the pushed agenda list.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#239152: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:04:17 PM

[up] the Hamilton 64 Disinformation Dashboard is a good way to get a general idea of what they are tweeting about.

Everything they do makes more sense, when you realize that they are acting at a disadvantage. They are not the mighty Soviet Union, and have an objectively shrinking economy. The only way for them to gain a measure of respect back and stay relevant on a World Stage, is through relative power, which can be gained by destabilizing everyone else.

Here's some more about it.

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/media-hit/may-clifford-d-russias-disinformation-offensive/

https://democracyjournal.org/magazine/47/shredding-the-putin-playbook/

edited 17th Apr '18 5:08:11 PM by megaeliz

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#239154: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:06:12 PM

The only way it will stop is for it to stop being cost effective, that means either them getting low returns (so very little chaos), or the cost due to retaliation outweighing the benefits.

That or they stop because then end up in a Lenin situation, where their agent of chaos ends up bringing about an agent of their destruction.

edited 17th Apr '18 5:08:49 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#239155: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:12:54 PM

[up][up]A shame.

[up]Quite, all we can really do is fight against their useful idiots and take action to hurt Russia (which isn't hard, sanctions targeting what's left of their economy and the Oligarchs should do the trick). Which really should be enough.

edited 17th Apr '18 5:13:13 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Raptorslash Since: Oct, 2010
#239156: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:12:54 PM

[up][up]A shame.

[up]Quite, all we can really do is fight against their useful idiots and take action to hurt Russia (which isn't hard, sanctions targeting what's left of their economy and the Oligarchs should do the trick). Which really should be enough.

edited 17th Apr '18 5:13:13 PM by Fourthspartan56

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#239157: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:13:47 PM

[up]Oops, it appeared I hijacked your post.

Sorry about that tongue

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Raptorslash Since: Oct, 2010
#239158: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:17:37 PM

No problem. smile

It's just that I remember being confused when Wikileaks and Snowden started allying with Russia. I thought they were pro-free speech and anti-government spying, so turning to Putin for help seemed bizarre. He does not share those values.

I didn't know Assange was such a creep or the time, and Snowden's apparently a libertarian of some sort.

edited 17th Apr '18 5:20:17 PM by Raptorslash

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#239159: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:20:49 PM

Wikileaks is run by a libertarian, misogynist, white nationalist ratfucker who despises the west

Snowden is just a coward willing to run into the embrace of Putin to save himself.

edited 17th Apr '18 5:21:51 PM by Lightysnake

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#239160: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:22:16 PM

[up]X5 It’s not just about fighting against the useful idiots, it’s about being adaptable enough in progressing our society that there aren’t as many agents of chaos out there.

If the US was progressive enough on race relations that BLM was listened to and the concerns addressed properly, then Russian wouldn’t be able to spread chaos by backing BLM.

If the Republican Party hadn’t descended itself into neo-fascism well before Trump than the Russians would have had no Trump to back in the 2016 Republican primary.

If Bush hadn’t had so many questionable acts committed during the war on terror there would be no wikileaks for the Russian to back.

They can’t cause chaos by backing bad options if we progress as a society enough that all our major options are good ones.

edited 17th Apr '18 5:23:27 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#239161: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:22:38 PM

[up][up] And Russian asset. edit: with no wifi.

Forgot to put trump's tweets this morning. They are kind of hilarious

Looks like Jerry Brown and California are not looking for safety and security along their very porous Border. He cannot come to terms for the National Guard to patrol and protect the Border. The high crime rate will only get higher. Much wanted Wall in San Diego already started!

Rasmussen just came out at 51% Approval despite the Fake News Media. They were one of the three most accurate on Election Day. Just about the most inaccurate were CNN and ABC News/Washington Post, and they haven’t changed (get new pollsters). Much of the media is a Scam! [[quoteblock]]

[[quoteblock]] Today’s Court decision means that Congress must close loopholes that block the removal of dangerous criminal aliens, including aggravated felons. This is a public safety crisis that can only be fixed by........Congress – House and Senate must quickly pass a legislative fix to ensure violent criminal aliens can be removed from our society. Keep America Safe!

States and Cities throughout our Country are being cheated and treated so badly by online retailers. Very unfair to traditional tax paying stores!

He's in Mar-A-Lago this week, so expect even more from his than usual.

edited 17th Apr '18 5:27:50 PM by megaeliz

Imca (Veteran)
#239162: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:22:45 PM

[up][up][up] Pretty much.

edited 17th Apr '18 5:23:02 PM by Imca

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#239163: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:22:52 PM

[up]x5 That's sort of a "fellow travelers" situation, as we've seen with the Alt-right's Russia obsession. It helps that Russia is sort of their ideal state, being autocratic, massively conservative, and against the US.

edited 17th Apr '18 5:23:41 PM by archonspeaks

They should have sent a poet.
Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#239164: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:24:23 PM

Has Trump been golfing lately?

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
Raptorslash Since: Oct, 2010
#239166: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:27:08 PM

How is BLM supported by Russia? I was under the impression Russian trolls infiltrated BLM to turn members against Hillary and to stoke divisions, not that Russia directly helps BLM the way they helped Trump.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#239167: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:27:46 PM

When it comes to wikileaks and Snowden, on some level their both also monsters of our own making, Manning wouldn’t have leaked all the shit she did if the US military had properly helped her and provided proper medical support both physically and mentally. Likwise Snowden wouldn’t have been co-opted by Russia is there hasn’t been a giant secret NSA program for him to leak, or possibly even if he’d had reasonable grounds to thi k he’d get a fair trial in the US.

Though Assange was never about transparency, he almost certainly got compromised early by the Russians, Snowden, honestly he was running out of options so ran where he knew he’d be safe even if it meant throwing his morals to the wind.

[up] Russian bots generate traffic and noise about stories that connect with BLM, Reddit recently revealed the posting habits of the Russian bits they caught, they were actully more active on subs about corrupt cops than on the Trump one.

They’re not helping, not realy, they’re trying to use BLM, because if black people trust cops else it undermines the rule of law, if cops see black people as moaning about non-problems it undermines trust in the public, the idea is to cause a feedback loop where the US gets less stable.

edited 17th Apr '18 5:31:53 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Imca (Veteran)
#239168: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:28:37 PM

They did both.

Agian, Russia doesn't care who they support, they just want chaos.... Trying to read actual support from what they push is reading intentions that don't exist.

This is a method of warfare to them, plain and simple.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#239169: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:34:48 PM

Man...when I got the notification about Barbara I was legitimately sad.

Can't even imagine what H.W is going through now

New Survey coming this weekend!
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#239170: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:34:54 PM

[up][up]taken directly from the DNI attribution report:

We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments

edited 17th Apr '18 5:36:06 PM by megaeliz

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#239171: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:38:13 PM

[up] That preference is because hey find Trump a useful agent of chaos, not because they agree with his goals.

Agin I go back to Lenin, the Germans didn’t let him though because they believed in a Communsit revolution, they let him though because they knew he’d make a giant mess within Russia and get Russia off their backs.

Putin didn’t give two shits about what little ideology Trump does believe in, he cares about the mess that Trump will make.

edited 17th Apr '18 5:39:22 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#239172: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:45:13 PM

Much wanted Wall in San Diego already started!

... I'm confused. It already has a physical border and the busiest border crossing in the world, and there are roads running either side of the thing. Is he trying to lay claim to something that was already being expanded ten years ago?

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#239173: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:46:32 PM

Is he trying to lay claim to something that was already being expanded ten years ago?

Yes. What part of that do you find confusing?

edited 17th Apr '18 5:46:43 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#239174: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:48:00 PM

And he's still bitching about Amazon, if not directly by name.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#239175: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:51:15 PM

As much as I disagree with her son and husband, Barbara Bush did a lot of good work as First Lady and after her husband's term. It was low key, but adult literacy was her cause of choice, and that's pretty huge.

[up][up]Considering that they've be married for about 70 years, yeah that's hard to fathom. And he has health issues of his own as well, and losing a spouse doesn't help on that front.

edited 17th Apr '18 5:52:40 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

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