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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#238801: Apr 14th 2018 at 1:17:03 PM

[up][up][up] The main target was the Barzeh laboratory, which is known to be the location almost all of Syria’s chemical weapons were produced.

You can see the damage here. Before: [1] After: [2] Those are from a civilian satellite so they’re pretty blurry but you can see the main building has essentially been demolished.

The strike would have been worth it for that alone, the other targets were basically of tangential importance.

edited 14th Apr '18 1:18:12 PM by archonspeaks

They should have sent a poet.
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#238802: Apr 14th 2018 at 1:28:39 PM

@Wanderer's rant.

I've have been wondering, just how right wing is the US compared to other countries? It seems what we define as center and left and what the rest of the world defines as those terms are different. I'm questioning if the US has a third standard that it clings to despite the rest of the world ditching it long ago, and the parameters of what is centrist in the US is still too rightwards or narrow to apply for the term elsewhere.

edited 14th Apr '18 1:28:51 PM by MorningStar1337

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#238803: Apr 14th 2018 at 1:32:05 PM

Well, it's been said on multiple occasions here that our Left is everyone else's Center/Center-Right. So there's that.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#238804: Apr 14th 2018 at 1:34:58 PM

Depending on who you ask, you could say that's an exaggeration. A couple of people have been vocal about their annoyance at that simplification.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#238805: Apr 14th 2018 at 1:40:38 PM

But its changing. People are predicting not just a blue wave in Nov (ie, Dems winning) but a noticable shift to the Left.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#238806: Apr 14th 2018 at 1:43:33 PM

I find weird how Left is always a synomin of "morally good" pretty much everywhere (except in Socialist dictatorships of course).

It makes me feel weird

edited 14th Apr '18 1:43:52 PM by KazuyaProta

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#238807: Apr 14th 2018 at 1:44:30 PM

Satellite photos seem to confirm good effects on the three targets the US is claiming, but nobody can really agree on the particulars right now. The US, Russia, and the Syrian government all are saying different amounts of missiles were fired and intercepted.
While this is true, it really doesn't matter. Pretty much everyone agrees that the US and allies launched a strike and Syria tried, but failed, to stop it. How effective their attempt was and how much more damage could have been done is basically irrelevant. If the US and friends want to destroy sites in Syria, they can, even against Syria's best attempts to defend themselves.

That is the takeaway that matters.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#238808: Apr 14th 2018 at 2:00:44 PM

Course, most everyone who understands such things isnt surprised.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#238809: Apr 14th 2018 at 2:02:10 PM

[up][up]My question now is whether the Syrians and Russians are unwilling or unable to defend against attacks from the US and its allies They definitely tried to intercept (with SA-3s apparently) but they clearly weren’t able to mount any meaningful resistance. We’re also hearing that Israel is hitting targets in Syria today, which sort of makes it seem like friendly jets are more or less coming and going as they please. Given the fuss that was made about Syria linking its air defense network with Russia it’s a little odd to say the least. Especially last night you’d think the Russians would have made a token gesture at defending Syrian infrastructure, so either they really couldn’t care less or they actually lack the capability to stop us.

[up][up][up] Left is not a synonym of morally good.

edited 14th Apr '18 2:05:24 PM by archonspeaks

They should have sent a poet.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#238810: Apr 14th 2018 at 2:03:31 PM

I'm pretty sure if it's claimed by the Russian/Syrian State media, it's almost certainly propaganda.

edited 14th Apr '18 2:04:40 PM by megaeliz

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#238811: Apr 14th 2018 at 2:05:33 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] meanwhile we have the Right Wing, the entity that often makes me question whose idea was it to make "right" the antonym of "wrong" (and by extension a term with connotations of moral goodness).

edited 14th Apr '18 2:06:43 PM by MorningStar1337

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#238812: Apr 14th 2018 at 2:06:52 PM

[up] That's why I said that The Left is almost always a synonym of morally good.

Right only have a politic meaning in english, in Spanish the direction of right and right as correct have different words.

[down] Not only USA, I barely heard anything good about the Right Wing of other countries.

Now, my Right Wing in Peru don't look too bad but that is because our Left looks bad too and everything had developed into Personal loyalties than in any ideology

Heck, the original Right Wing were freaking Monarchists.

edited 14th Apr '18 2:13:43 PM by KazuyaProta

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TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Call me Stick
#238813: Apr 14th 2018 at 2:08:33 PM

The issue is that th right wing in the US pretty much has devolved into being evil?

Hopefully I'll feel confident to change my avatar off this scumbag soon. Apologies to any scumbags I insulted.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#238814: Apr 14th 2018 at 2:13:29 PM

[up] the Tea Party and Fox News pushed all the sane people out, I think.

I feel like we're conflating a lot of unrelated things here.

For example, the type of people that tend to be attracted to civil service tend to be conservative in the sense that the they have a strong belief in honor, duty, and doing things by the rules. (Think Robert Mueller.)

That's not the same as a reactionary, or hardliner.

edited 14th Apr '18 2:24:47 PM by megaeliz

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#238815: Apr 14th 2018 at 2:17:33 PM

[up] But when the Right Wing had been outright good?

I'm bizarrely conflicted about this because that "naturally conservative" personality of doing things by the rules and being obsessive about them?

That's literally me. And I'm Left Wing.

This is getting off topic, but anyway. I really would like to understand how a group that is practically dedicated to be bad got so much power and turned Politics pretty much everywhere into Black-and-White Morality.

I doubt that is only Fox News, because I rarely heard good things about the Right Wing on Europe

[tup] The parties are in the spectrum. How I can judge the places if is not without the people?

edited 14th Apr '18 2:27:44 PM by KazuyaProta

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#238816: Apr 14th 2018 at 2:25:47 PM

[up] I think you're confusing political parties with the political spectrum.

Left wing and right wing have no inherent morality to them. They're just different ends of the spectrum. Claiming the left is always moral is like claiming red is the best color, it's doesn't really mean anything.

If you're making a statement on the morality of political parties, that's different.

edited 14th Apr '18 2:38:49 PM by archonspeaks

They should have sent a poet.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#238817: Apr 14th 2018 at 2:29:12 PM

A good example would Richard Painter.

He is a Republican, and worked under George Bush. Do I agree with everything he says? No, but that's okay. We're still coming from the same set of facts (aka reality), which allows people to to be able to be able to reach logical conclusions, and disagree respectfully.

edited 14th Apr '18 2:38:55 PM by megaeliz

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#238818: Apr 14th 2018 at 2:58:10 PM

One reason the US comes out as broadly more right wing than many other countries because it's a two party system, and one of the parties made its electoral strategy "rely on the most reactionary, racist bloc in the country".

The same people the Republicans rely on as a core vote, and who turn out to decide candidates in primaries, would be relegated to fringe parties in most places.

edited 14th Apr '18 2:58:50 PM by RainehDaze

Coleman Since: May, 2016
#238819: Apr 14th 2018 at 3:01:32 PM

Well personally i don't believe that being morally good has to do with political ideologies or parties.

edited 14th Apr '18 3:04:17 PM by Coleman

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#238820: Apr 14th 2018 at 3:04:23 PM

I’d say that it most definitely does have to do with morality. One of the parties in the US believes that I don’t deserve human rights. The Nazi party believes I don’t deserve to live, period.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#238821: Apr 14th 2018 at 3:10:55 PM

Yeah, from my experience the right are always a bunch of idiots AT BEST and outright repulsive (to put it nice) at worst. The left are more flexible in that regard.

edited 14th Apr '18 3:15:37 PM by Forenperser

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KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#238822: Apr 14th 2018 at 3:13:58 PM

[up] Yeah. Is so boring realizing that.

Not that I agree with All leftist ideas, but damn that they are overall better. Heck, it seems like the case worldwide.

Now, some Right Wing people tend to be better than others, but very few of them manage to do it in a way that comes as morally good.

edited 14th Apr '18 3:15:43 PM by KazuyaProta

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tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#238823: Apr 14th 2018 at 3:23:52 PM

As to the missile estimates, I would say double the lowest, halve the highest and the truth is probably somewhere in between.

Trump delenda est
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#238824: Apr 14th 2018 at 3:30:21 PM

Re: Alex Jones crying over feeling "betrayed" by Trump: My reaction.

edited 14th Apr '18 3:30:57 PM by speedyboris

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#238825: Apr 14th 2018 at 3:34:03 PM

[up][up][up] That's a startlingly reductive worldview. Considering conservatism is status quo politics, anyone living in a democracy can be said to be conservative in at least one way.

While the right wing in the US is certainly immoral, there's no possible way to claim that leftist politics are inherently better or more moral.

[up][up] It seems possible there were no intercepts. The only missile wreckage that's been spotted anywhere is from the SA-3s fired by the Syrian government, and you know if they had Tomahawk parts they'd be on the news with them by now.

edited 14th Apr '18 3:34:14 PM by archonspeaks

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