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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
@Wanderer's rant.
I've have been wondering, just how right wing is the US compared to other countries? It seems what we define as center and left and what the rest of the world defines as those terms are different. I'm questioning if the US has a third standard that it clings to despite the rest of the world ditching it long ago, and the parameters of what is centrist in the US is still too rightwards or narrow to apply for the term elsewhere.
edited 14th Apr '18 1:28:51 PM by MorningStar1337
I find weird how Left is always a synomin of "morally good" pretty much everywhere (except in Socialist dictatorships of course).
It makes me feel weird
edited 14th Apr '18 1:43:52 PM by KazuyaProta
Watch me destroying my countryThat is the takeaway that matters.
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My question now is whether the Syrians and Russians are unwilling or unable to defend against attacks from the US and its allies They definitely tried to intercept (with SA-3s apparently) but they clearly weren’t able to mount any meaningful resistance. We’re also hearing that Israel is hitting targets in Syria today, which sort of makes it seem like friendly jets are more or less coming and going as they please. Given the fuss that was made about Syria linking its air defense network with Russia it’s a little odd to say the least. Especially last night you’d think the Russians would have made a token gesture at defending Syrian infrastructure, so either they really couldn’t care less or they actually lack the capability to stop us.
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Left is not a synonym of morally good.
edited 14th Apr '18 2:05:24 PM by archonspeaks
They should have sent a poet.
That's why I said that The Left is almost always a synonym of morally good.
Right only have a politic meaning in english, in Spanish the direction of right and right as correct have different words.
Not only USA, I barely heard anything good about the Right Wing of other countries.
Now, my Right Wing in Peru don't look too bad but that is because our Left looks bad too and everything had developed into Personal loyalties than in any ideology
Heck, the original Right Wing were freaking Monarchists.
edited 14th Apr '18 2:13:43 PM by KazuyaProta
Watch me destroying my country
the Tea Party and Fox News pushed all the sane people out, I think.
I feel like we're conflating a lot of unrelated things here.
For example, the type of people that tend to be attracted to civil service tend to be conservative in the sense that the they have a strong belief in honor, duty, and doing things by the rules. (Think Robert Mueller.)
That's not the same as a reactionary, or hardliner.
edited 14th Apr '18 2:24:47 PM by megaeliz
But when the Right Wing had been outright good?
I'm bizarrely conflicted about this because that "naturally conservative" personality of doing things by the rules and being obsessive about them?
That's literally me. And I'm Left Wing.
This is getting off topic, but anyway. I really would like to understand how a group that is practically dedicated to be bad got so much power and turned Politics pretty much everywhere into Black-and-White Morality.
I doubt that is only Fox News, because I rarely heard good things about the Right Wing on Europe
The parties are in the spectrum. How I can judge the places if is not without the people?
edited 14th Apr '18 2:27:44 PM by KazuyaProta
Watch me destroying my country
I think you're confusing political parties with the political spectrum.
Left wing and right wing have no inherent morality to them. They're just different ends of the spectrum. Claiming the left is always moral is like claiming red is the best color, it's doesn't really mean anything.
If you're making a statement on the morality of political parties, that's different.
edited 14th Apr '18 2:38:49 PM by archonspeaks
They should have sent a poet.A good example would Richard Painter
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He is a Republican, and worked under George Bush. Do I agree with everything he says? No, but that's okay. We're still coming from the same set of facts (aka reality), which allows people to to be able to be able to reach logical conclusions, and disagree respectfully.
edited 14th Apr '18 2:38:55 PM by megaeliz
One reason the US comes out as broadly more right wing than many other countries because it's a two party system, and one of the parties made its electoral strategy "rely on the most reactionary, racist bloc in the country".
The same people the Republicans rely on as a core vote, and who turn out to decide candidates in primaries, would be relegated to fringe parties in most places.
edited 14th Apr '18 2:58:50 PM by RainehDaze
Yeah, from my experience the right are always a bunch of idiots AT BEST and outright repulsive (to put it nice) at worst. The left are more flexible in that regard.
edited 14th Apr '18 3:15:37 PM by Forenperser
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% Scandinavian
Yeah. Is so boring realizing that.
Not that I agree with All leftist ideas, but damn that they are overall better. Heck, it seems like the case worldwide.
Now, some Right Wing people tend to be better than others, but very few of them manage to do it in a way that comes as morally good.
edited 14th Apr '18 3:15:43 PM by KazuyaProta
Watch me destroying my countryRe: Alex Jones crying over feeling "betrayed" by Trump: My reaction.
edited 14th Apr '18 3:30:57 PM by speedyboris
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That's a startlingly reductive worldview. Considering conservatism is status quo politics, anyone living in a democracy can be said to be conservative in at least one way.
While the right wing in the US is certainly immoral, there's no possible way to claim that leftist politics are inherently better or more moral.
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It seems possible there were no intercepts. The only missile wreckage that's been spotted anywhere is from the SA-3s fired by the Syrian government, and you know if they had Tomahawk parts they'd be on the news with them by now.
edited 14th Apr '18 3:34:14 PM by archonspeaks
They should have sent a poet.

You can see the damage here. Before: [1]
After: [2]
Those are from a civilian satellite so they’re pretty blurry but you can see the main building has essentially been demolished.
The strike would have been worth it for that alone, the other targets were basically of tangential importance.
edited 14th Apr '18 1:18:12 PM by archonspeaks
They should have sent a poet.