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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#238726: Apr 13th 2018 at 8:46:49 PM

God damn it Russia. A warm water port is not worth a war.
It's not, which is why the worst that can happen is a localized shooting war.

It serves neither of our interests to escalate things and thus one can safely assume that escalation is rather unlikely.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#238727: Apr 13th 2018 at 8:57:27 PM

[up] It wouldn't serve our interests to escalate things but that won't stop people from doing it.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#238728: Apr 13th 2018 at 8:59:40 PM

It even less serves Russia's purposes to actually get embroiled in a conflict like this whilst messing with all its neighbours.

raziel365 Anka Aquila from South of the Far West (Veteran) Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Anka Aquila
#238729: Apr 13th 2018 at 9:02:22 PM

I fear that the current heads of state won't be interested in descalation if they think that will communicate weakness.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#238730: Apr 13th 2018 at 9:03:26 PM

I get why people are scared. Trump is an idiot. He's the kind of guy who, if given free rein, could get the USA into a fight with France let alone Russia. And there's certainly lots of ways this could go badly, get people killed, or otherwise damage the world.

But let's keep the "World War" talk to a minimum. Not just because it's not something anyone wants, but also because it's not even feasible. Russia can give the USA a very ugly fight in Syria. Russia can end the world by pressing the nuclear trigger. But one thing Russia cannot do? Is start World War III. The Warsaw Pact is gone, if what's left of the Communist Bloc has a leader it's China (and Russia, of course, is not Communist itself anyway), and Putin's best ally in the Middle East is in the midst of the civil war that this entire conversation surrounds.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#238731: Apr 13th 2018 at 9:09:10 PM

Yeah, the absolute worst outcome here is a regional shooting war and even that is unlikely at this point. It’s not militarily or politically possible for this to blossom into WW3.

What will really happen is a few months of diplomatic sparring and then everyone moves on to the next crisis.

They should have sent a poet.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#238732: Apr 13th 2018 at 9:13:54 PM

Agreed. Now, as I've said several times, a regional shooting war between the USA, Russia, and their various proxies would be bad. It would add a lot of bodies to a conflict that already has too many.

But it would not be the apocalypse.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#238733: Apr 13th 2018 at 9:20:27 PM

Oh, it would be downright nasty. I don’t think it’s a war Russia could win in any meaningful sense of the word, but it would mean a lot of flag-covered coffins. It’s something that should be avoided as strongly as possible.

They should have sent a poet.
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#238734: Apr 13th 2018 at 9:24:42 PM

I’ll note I said “a war,” not “a world war,” or even “a war between Russia and the United States.” It’s not worth a war period, especially since Syria is already in the midst of one now.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#238735: Apr 13th 2018 at 9:39:29 PM

[up] It's practically a proxy war between the US and Russia at this point anyway.

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#238736: Apr 13th 2018 at 9:41:42 PM

All this talk about wars reminds me something Yahtzee said once in a game about war; he said something to the effect of "Let's just have ourselves a grand ol' war and have everyone just get it out of their systems." Makes you wonder if that's what some leaders today have been itching for.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#238737: Apr 13th 2018 at 10:48:34 PM

Two things: so far, Russia isnt claiming that they suffered any casualties (I read reports that the US was using military communication channels to ensure that the Russians could stay out of the way).

Second, its worth noting that we did not wait for the international inspection team to deliver a report on what happened in Douma (the US is claiming that it has proof that the Assad regime conducted a chemical attack there).

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#238738: Apr 13th 2018 at 10:49:02 PM

Isn't it already a regional shooting war?

The US' friend vs. Russia's versus ISIS?

And the people who lose Syria?

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Imca (Veteran)
#238739: Apr 14th 2018 at 12:37:09 AM

They mean escalation from "The US's Friends vs Russia's Friends" to "The US vs Russia" but remaining localized to Syria itself.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#238741: Apr 14th 2018 at 3:02:15 AM

Well, he doesn't. The US constitution is very clear that a) a formal declaration of war needs to be done by Congress and b) the president is commander-in-chief of the US military, thus authorized to give operational orders. Cynical me says that c) there is some broad, blank-cheque like "national security" clause in US military law to the same effect.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#238742: Apr 14th 2018 at 3:04:10 AM

The people who voted for Trump because they were worried about Hillary's "No fly zone" are probably eating crow.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Imca (Veteran)
#238743: Apr 14th 2018 at 3:04:55 AM

[up][up] It was a comment on the trump tweet linked in the post, where trump said the president did while refering to Obama

[up] Alex Jones apperntly started crying on air over this.... soooo....

edited 14th Apr '18 3:05:37 AM by Imca

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#238744: Apr 14th 2018 at 3:47:55 AM

[up] Speaking of Alex Jones, from what I saw he's worried this'll cause World War 3.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#238745: Apr 14th 2018 at 4:04:12 AM

Well if Alex Jones thinks so, it must be true!

I really want to say that essentially discredits the whole notion, but that would be a logical fallacy

edited 14th Apr '18 4:07:26 AM by Xopher001

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#238746: Apr 14th 2018 at 5:25:49 AM

edited 15th Apr '18 5:10:23 PM by Wyldchyld

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#238747: Apr 14th 2018 at 6:04:20 AM

[up][up][up]. Thank you for reassuring me that it won't happen

Trump delenda est
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#238749: Apr 14th 2018 at 6:19:18 AM

[up][up] The clips I found on twitter are kind of hilarious actually. He's so personally betrayed by this, he actually starts crying.

Also this:

Alex Jones on Trump’s decision to approve strikes against Syria (continued): “He said Hillary’s the founder of Al-Qaeda. Well, you’re the butt boy of Al-Qaeda, Trump”

edited 14th Apr '18 6:21:46 AM by megaeliz

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#238750: Apr 14th 2018 at 6:26:03 AM

[up][up]Once again, world peace has been achieved! Good job, everyone!

I bet his staff just showed Trump a picture of the Colosseum and told him they did that just now.


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