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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#238601: Apr 13th 2018 at 9:02:06 AM

You guys ever read r/army on a daily basis? The Joes on there, frontline and back home, really don't like Trump and openly say so.

Plus, did everyone forget about all the active service members who began supporting taking a knee on Twitter?

I don't think anyone is claiming that all of the military supports Trump, but it is true that the military more strongly supports him than the general public[1]. Which might sound scary but it's less scary when you keep in mind how much the general public dislikes him.

[1]=For those who aren't interested in reading the link 44% like him and 40% dislike him. Interestingly Officers like him 30% and Enlisted like him 48%, I imagine the biggest factor is education because as a rule officers are more likely to be educated than enlisted

edited 13th Apr '18 9:05:09 AM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#238603: Apr 13th 2018 at 9:55:16 AM

White House says there will be breaking news on Deputy AG #Rosenstein (Special Counsel Mueller's boss) between 2pm and 4pm EST today.

Brace for impact.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#238604: Apr 13th 2018 at 10:00:27 AM

Welp.

He's toast.

But they got all the evidence they need so it doesn't matter.

New Survey coming this weekend!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#238605: Apr 13th 2018 at 10:02:27 AM

> Brace for impact.

Duck and cover people!

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#238606: Apr 13th 2018 at 10:06:16 AM

Thinking about it Rosenstein may be the only administration official to come out of this looking good, he seems to have genuinely tried to do his job as well as possibly and is getting fired because of it, even Comey was in the end someone willing to break the law to get Trump elected despite knowing of the Russia issue, Rosenstein seems to have genuinely been willing to suffer to try and protect the country, not sell it out for personal gain like Comey.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#238607: Apr 13th 2018 at 10:09:14 AM

This is gonna be good. White House letting me know when to crack open a cold one in time for the political shitstorm.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#238608: Apr 13th 2018 at 10:11:04 AM

Anything forum I followed posted this Twitter post regarding a possible firing. There posters who responded were all up in arms about it but, on paper, it doesn't strike me as an inherently bad idea.

Mark Warner told a meeting of Dems they should take a one- or two-day cooling off period if Trump fires Rosenstein, and take that time to reach out to Republicans. Pushback against WH will mean more if it’s bipartisan.

Given the "THEIR SIDE BAD!!!!!" knee jerk is something I'm on record as utterly LOATHING, I'm all for taking a moment to actually think before reacting. So I'm sincerely not seeing the issue outside of maybe two days being a bit much.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#238609: Apr 13th 2018 at 10:14:26 AM

[up]While it's true it was worded terribly, calling it a "cooling off period" implies the Democrats would be doing nothing or just chilling. Reaching out to form a bipartisan opposition is something that needs to be done (and would be done) but is absolutely not a cooling off period.

Also the Republican side totally is bad, don't false equivocate disliking Republicans and disliking Democrats. The former is reasonable if tempered by pragmatism while the latter is not.

edited 13th Apr '18 10:15:22 AM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#238610: Apr 13th 2018 at 10:17:45 AM

Oh I'm not (trying to) false equivocate. The GOP is, easily, the less competent and trustworthy party at the moment.

I still hate the "THEIR SIDE BAD!!!!!" knee jerk, though. I hate even more that the Republican make it ever more easier to justify. So I'm all for it if at least some folks out there want to avoid the sheet thoughtlessness that goes into that mindset

edited 13th Apr '18 10:20:56 AM by sgamer82

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#238611: Apr 13th 2018 at 10:20:19 AM

[up]I get that, but if their side actually is bad why is it wrong to have a negative knee-jerk reaction against them? Doesn't mean we should oppose the Democrats reaching out to subvert Republicans but disliking them collectively merely seems sensible to me.

edited 13th Apr '18 10:21:15 AM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#238612: Apr 13th 2018 at 10:21:10 AM

Hmm, this reminds me of a similar turbulent time in Nixon's administration, more specifically this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre. Seems Trump learned from his mistakes by not directly trying to fire Mueller.

Anyway, Trump is not trying to undermine the FBI because he wants to be an autocrat, he's doing it because he's upset they searched his lawyers' possessions and are looking into some private aspects of his life (Stormy Daniels).

Yet it seems like the fears of a "president for life" keep popping up, even if the military doesn't support him, there's a 200 year old democratic tradition and the fact it isn't actually possible in accordance to the law.

Life is unfair...
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#238613: Apr 13th 2018 at 10:21:42 AM

[up][up]I feel like you've just answered your own question there.

The potential to be able to reach out to Republicans is a perfectly valid reason to not knee jerk to "THEIR SIDE BAD!!!!!"

edited 13th Apr '18 10:23:27 AM by sgamer82

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#238614: Apr 13th 2018 at 10:24:13 AM

The president for life thing won’t happen, but eventually someone will have to stand up to Trump so as to stop it happening. Either he gets impeached, loses in 2020 or leaves office in 2024, either way he will have to leave the White House at some point and I don’t see him doing it willingly, which means the Secret Service will have to physically remove him from the preemies.

The potential to be able to reach out to Republicans

What potential? Republicans elected officials have shown themselves to be totally unwilling to stand up to Trump, it’s foolish to think there’s any potential for working with them.

edited 13th Apr '18 10:25:30 AM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#238615: Apr 13th 2018 at 10:24:48 AM

I mean, I think knee-jerk reactions should be avoided whenever possible even when the reaction itself is understandable. Clearly, it's perfectly possible to find most everything the Republicans do contemptible without necessarily misinterpreting or getting upset over the wrong thing, which is what knee-jerk implies.

[up]If he somehow manages to win reelection and serve out both terms fully, I don't even see Trump being unsatisfied with that. Clearly, his primary interest for this entire thing was to say he did it.

edited 13th Apr '18 10:26:36 AM by LSBK

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#238616: Apr 13th 2018 at 10:24:56 AM

Hmm, this reminds me of a similar turbulent time in Nixon's administration, more specifically this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre. Seems Trump learned from his mistakes by not directly trying to fire Mueller.
Except Trump can't directly fire Mueller, removing Rosenstein is as direct as he can get.

Anyway, Trump is not trying to undermine the FBI because he wants to be an autocrat, he's doing it because he's upset they searched his lawyers' possessions and are looking into some private aspects of his life (Stormy Daniels).
It can be both, most autocrats aren't Dark Messiahs fighting for a perceived better world. They're often greedy and selfish people who want to maximally enrich themselves.

Yet it seems like the fears of a "president for life" keep popping up, even if the military doesn't support him, there's a 200 year old democratic tradition and the fact it isn't actually possible in accordance to the law.
Well said, Trump blatantly wants to be an autocrat but it's not realistic to think that he has any real chance in doing it.

I feel like you've just answered your own question there.

The potential to be able to reach out to Republicans is a perfectly valid reason to not knee jerk to "THEIR SIDE BAD!!!!!"

You're right, it was a rhetorical question.

And we can absolutely dislike the Republicans collectively while making use of them individually. I despise them but I would never throw shade at the Democrats making use of beneficial bipartisanship.

I mean, I think knee-jerk reactions should be avoided whenever possible even when the reaction itself is understandable. Clearly, it's perfectly possible to find most everything the Republicans do contemptible without necessarily misinterpreting or getting upset over the wrong thing, which is what knee-jerk implies.
Fair point, I suppose I was focusing too much on the specific wording of "their side bad".

edited 13th Apr '18 10:25:57 AM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#238617: Apr 13th 2018 at 10:26:38 AM

You're right, it was a rhetorical question.

And we can absolutely dislike the Republicans collectively while making use of them individually. I despise them but I would never throw shade at the Democrats making use of beneficial bipartisanship.

The thing is, to my mind, that is exactly what the "THEIR SIDE BAD!!!!!" attitude does. It throws shade on something that might otherwise be good for no other reason than Republicans are involved

Also: "Trump pardons former George W. Bush administration official Lewis 'Scooter' Libby - White House" - Get updates at Reuters.com

edited 13th Apr '18 10:29:05 AM by sgamer82

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#238618: Apr 13th 2018 at 10:35:18 AM

Also: "Trump pardons former George W. Bush administration official Lewis 'Scooter' Libby - White House" - Get updates at Reuters.com

It appears Trump is extending his swamp draining promise even to members of previous administrations, how noble of him.

Life is unfair...
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#238619: Apr 13th 2018 at 10:38:02 AM

The thing is, to my mind, that is exactly what the "THEIR SIDE BAD!!!!!" attitude does. It throws shade on something that might otherwise be good for no other reason than Republicans are involved
Yes I will agree that an understandable knee-jerk reaction is too counter-productive and should not be used.

It appears Trump is extending his swamp draining promise even to members of previous administrations, how noble of him.
Quite, he has such a big heart that even past corruption is protected!

edited 13th Apr '18 10:38:37 AM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#238620: Apr 13th 2018 at 11:11:22 AM

Don't have time for a full What The Fuck Just Happened Today news dump. For now here's the link to Day 449: Slime ball.

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2018/04/13/day-449/

One story I will mention since it's not a big topic currently

FCC Chairman Ajit Pai rejected a request from a dozen senators to investigate Sinclair Broadcast Group for "distorting news" coverage, saying an investigation would conflict with the First Amendment and freedom of the press. Sinclair forced anchors to read a scripted promo warning of "fake news" and media bias.

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/382902-fcc-chairman-rejects-senators-request-to-investigate-sinclair

Wariolander Since: Nov, 2017
#238621: Apr 13th 2018 at 11:24:27 AM

People like Fighteer fearing for a "president for life" scenario keep on forgetting Trump is in his 70's, obese, takes cholesterol medication and is in the most stressful job in the world. I'd be surprised if he lasted past the regular 2 terms.

edited 13th Apr '18 11:25:37 AM by Wariolander

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#238622: Apr 13th 2018 at 11:24:36 AM

Still want to know what's behind Trump pardoning Libby. Its just so random....maybe Bolton went to bat for him?

edited 13th Apr '18 11:36:00 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#238623: Apr 13th 2018 at 11:29:35 AM

[up][up] Funny thing, I'm a weird way, that'd still be president for life...

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
#238624: Apr 13th 2018 at 11:31:32 AM

Even if Trump passes some precedent and then immediately drops dead, that precedent is super dangerous. We can track huge issues all stemming by a president making something legal.

Read my stories!
FyodorDose Since: Mar, 2018
#238625: Apr 13th 2018 at 11:36:45 AM

You guys think democrats will get over their impeachment fetish and pull in some wins for the midterms?


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