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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#237776: Apr 6th 2018 at 8:04:10 PM

Unless I am understanding it wrong, wouldn't that actyaly HELP another Trump?

Nope, the contrasting views part also applies to smears against Dems, so they’d have to have devoted time to people saying Hillary did nothing wrong and not just people saying Hillary did bad shit. That would seriously have counteracted the smears against her.

Also there’s the added thing, the fairness doctrine doesn't just require equal time, it also requires honesty, a requirement for honesty would kill Fox News dead.

edited 6th Apr '18 8:06:27 PM by Silasw

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TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#237777: Apr 6th 2018 at 8:05:13 PM

[up][up]

Cohen and Veasey summed it all up very nicely.

Imca (Veteran)
#237778: Apr 6th 2018 at 8:09:29 PM

[up][up] Fair enough about the honesty, but I would still like to contest that even the news stations that didn't humor the hillary scandles, still potrayed Trump as an equal to her.

If your sure the honesty clause would prevent that I can agree, but it seems like.... kind of a risk of becoming a double edged sword.

StarOutlaw Since: Nov, 2010
#237779: Apr 6th 2018 at 8:17:10 PM

[up]A double edged sword would still be better than what we have now, considering everything that's happening.

Even if Trump gets his parade, I'm betting that most people who attend are going to be there to protest. I don't know if anyone would try to egg or TP it, but I imagine plenty would try. I don't see the parade being a success, and I don't see Trump even being able to spin it in a positive light like with the inauguration crowd if everyone comes to boo and throw tomatoes or whatever.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#237780: Apr 6th 2018 at 8:28:28 PM

[up][up] the requirement isn’t that they treat candidates as equal to each other, but that on controversial issues they provide multiple points of view and do so accurately.

And everyone covered the Hillary scandals, even Comedy Central was at times granting the premis that Hillary was close to the second coming of Nixon.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
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#237781: Apr 6th 2018 at 8:33:55 PM

Trump's scandals also got FAR more coverage than Hillary in general did, which gave Trump a shitton of press and made people think that Hillary was lacking in substance.

edited 6th Apr '18 8:34:12 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#237782: Apr 6th 2018 at 8:39:50 PM

[up] One issue was that there were so many scandals that none of them really got much scrutiny. Like a bed of nails, they sort of numbed audiences.

HRC OTOH had "EMAILS". One nail...in the coffin of her election run.

edited 6th Apr '18 8:40:19 PM by M84

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#237783: Apr 6th 2018 at 8:56:46 PM

There was also her calling Trump voters deplorables, which many have ran with as part of the right-wing propaganda machine

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#237784: Apr 6th 2018 at 9:01:35 PM

To continue with the analogy...

The media made a bed of nails out of Trump's scandals.

The media took HRC's one or two "scandals" and jammed those nails right into the viewers' eyes.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#237785: Apr 6th 2018 at 9:17:35 PM

[up][up]She actually said that around half of them were deplorables IIRC, which frankly was ridiculously generous.

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TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#237786: Apr 6th 2018 at 9:20:46 PM

Generous or not, it wasn't exactly a smart thing to say.

Hopefully I'll feel confident to change my avatar off this scumbag soon. Apologies to any scumbags I insulted.
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#237787: Apr 6th 2018 at 9:22:09 PM

Hardly a dumb thing to call Trump's supporters exactly what they were.

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#237788: Apr 6th 2018 at 9:23:50 PM

[up]Quite, I've seen zero credible evidence that it hurt her in any meaningful way. In the end of the day the only result was that it lead to some talking heads on CNN breathlessly talking about how terrible and mean it was <rolls eyes>

edited 6th Apr '18 9:24:07 PM by Fourthspartan56

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TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Call me Stick
#237789: Apr 6th 2018 at 9:24:17 PM

Never said it wasn't TRUE, just bad optics.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#237790: Apr 6th 2018 at 9:24:40 PM

So it's bad optics to call racists racists?

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#237791: Apr 6th 2018 at 9:26:12 PM

Sometimes.

Depends on how you can spin it, really.

Oh really when?
TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#237792: Apr 6th 2018 at 9:27:14 PM

If you speak so broadly, yes. A little clarification would have probably gone a long way.

Pseudo-[nja]'d

edited 6th Apr '18 9:27:51 PM by TroperOnAStickV2

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
#237793: Apr 6th 2018 at 9:28:14 PM

Communication is a skill and politics is also a hugely elaborate system that involves skill.

So it's possible to call someone racist in an unskilled manner, and thus it's a bad thing.

Most regular folk don't have to deal with being unskilled in their words because it's not their job.

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#237794: Apr 6th 2018 at 9:29:18 PM

Some people don't like hearing the truth

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#237795: Apr 6th 2018 at 9:30:03 PM

You can argue it shouldn't be a bad thing, but that doesn't mean it wasn't. Never assume that people will know exactly what you mean with something like this.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#237796: Apr 6th 2018 at 9:36:24 PM

Sure it was bad optics, but ultimately I don't really see any reason to think it was anything other than inconsequential. Thus I think her honesty was acceptable.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#237797: Apr 6th 2018 at 9:38:07 PM

I don't think it hurt her anymore than anything else, just a comment on how that's not the kind of thing someone in her position should be saying, regardless of how true it actually is.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#237798: Apr 6th 2018 at 9:42:54 PM

So it's bad optics to call racists racists?

If you are relying on the votes of either the racists or their friends than yes.

I agree that it was pretty minimal as far as things go, though obviously with how things ended up any minimal shift might have changed things.

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#237799: Apr 6th 2018 at 9:57:45 PM

If you actually want to appeal to anyone remotely within a group, it's in your interests to not insult them.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#237800: Apr 6th 2018 at 9:58:06 PM

Nobody should rely on votes from racists, especially someone who is running against said racist.

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