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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#236951: Mar 28th 2018 at 1:37:08 PM

[up][up]

Calling it now - her defense will amount to "I was a victim too!" Whether or not it'll be believed remains to be seen.

According to the complaint, the women must remain sexually faithful to Raniere and are not permitted to discuss their relationships with him. The document also states that NXIVM's course teachings advocate that men must have "multiple sexual partners" while women must be monogamous, and that DOS strives to help women overcome their "inherent weaknesses" and "overemotional natures."

Ugh - guess even the "Humanist" belief system can't get rid of that shit. If all parties involved are okay with it, that's their jam, but seems like this got tied to progression in the same way a Chainmail Bikini does in games.

Edit - nix that, seems Mack could have some damned strong ground on that defense. Of course, that depends on if she uses it as a defense, as she seems to have drunk deeply of the Flavorade. Per the Rolling Stone link:

The complaint also describes agents obtaining a search warrant for Raniere's Yahoo email address. Within those emails, agents reportedly uncovered an email from CC-1 [Allison Mack] pledging her "full and complete life" to Raniere in a letter she called a "vow." They found other emails serving as collateral for CC-1, including a letter meant to destroy the character of her mother and father and a note "addressed to social services alleging abuse to CC-1's nephews."

edited 28th Mar '18 1:47:50 PM by ironballs16

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#236952: Mar 28th 2018 at 1:43:10 PM

Meet Steve H aka Comrade Steve.

Allegedly from Britain, but gets all defensive when you bring up Russia. And absolutely loves Putin. He blocked me for calling him out as the Troll he really is, but didn't realize I have a second account.

There is NEVER any evidence when #US accuses #Russia or #Syria. Whether #MH 17 ... or election hacking ... or #Khan Sheykhun sarin ... or doping of athletes ... or alleged Russian forces in #Donbass - it's ALWAYS "guilt by allegation, no proof required"

[down] It's not Drama, it's Kremlin!

edited 29th Mar '18 9:13:43 PM by megaeliz

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#236953: Mar 28th 2018 at 1:55:05 PM

Or maybe we could try not importing drama from other sites.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#236954: Mar 28th 2018 at 2:23:31 PM

I can't think of a reason that anyone actually from the UK would use Donbass, at least.

edited 28th Mar '18 2:23:38 PM by RainehDaze

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#236955: Mar 28th 2018 at 2:32:30 PM

"VA secretary David Shulkin to resign; Trump will nominate his personal physician to succeed him - source" - Get updates at Reuters.com

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#236956: Mar 28th 2018 at 2:32:45 PM

On the sex slave thing, well the next Law and Order: SVU episode is going to be interesting.

But holy shit. Just damn.

[up]Only the best people TM

edited 28th Mar '18 2:33:52 PM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#236957: Mar 28th 2018 at 2:39:09 PM

How long before the White House starts looking more like Celebrity Big Brother? Like I said, at this rate, the next President will just toss out everyone left in the administration and start over.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#236958: Mar 28th 2018 at 2:42:58 PM

That happened weeks ago. Honestly I was never into either big brother or deal or no deal but I really enjoy the white house and the breit edition

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#236959: Mar 28th 2018 at 2:53:39 PM

If nothing else that happened when White House staff started jumping ship to appear on Big Brother.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#236960: Mar 28th 2018 at 2:56:48 PM

[up] He's a Narcissist. When he gets frustrated with his own sad failings and realizes that no one around him is buying it anymore, he replaces everyone, because it's impossible for him to realize that he might be the problem.

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#236961: Mar 28th 2018 at 3:38:17 PM

@ironballs16: There goes my childhood. Apparently, asking for your idols not to be enslaving cult leaders is just setting the expectations too high these days. As for guilt, the victims were branded with her initials, pretty hard to deny participation.

Life is unfair...
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#236962: Mar 28th 2018 at 3:49:10 PM

"I'm not really getting what makes the parkland kids immune to criticism. I've noticed it's "wrong" to disagree with them because "they're just kids." I feel like if they're old enough to support a political agenda and have people rally behind them, they're old enough to be criticized like every other political figure, ever."

That complaint would hold more water if these teens weren't subject to a constant stream of personal attacks, flat-out falsehoods, and character assassinations.

I mean, just a reminder of the junk lobbed at them since the attack:
* The attack was a false flag to take our guns. The survivors are crisis actors.
* They were fed lines by networks who interviewed them. More "proof" that they're actors.
* They can't handle organizing a march or protest by themselves so obviously they're just being co-opted by [insert liberal boogeyman group/individual here]
* They are for forced gun confiscation
* Their generation eats Tide Pods so why listen to them?!
* They should shut up because they don't make the laws.
* One of the teens supposedly wasn't even at school the day of the shooting, so therefore they're a liar and should shut up. (this was debunked, by the way)
* One of the teens ripped up the Constitution at last weekend's nationwide protest. (also debunked)

And the latest: Laura Ingraham mocks David Hogg for not getting into certain universities. This is a so-called professional TV host.

There's a lot more but it would belabor the point. It's one thing to disagree with these survivors' stance on gun control but the amount of vitriol lobbed at them is just ridiculous and disgusting.

edited 28th Mar '18 3:54:29 PM by speedyboris

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#236963: Mar 28th 2018 at 3:58:59 PM

Their generation eats Tide Pods so why listen to them?!

I'm sure the Darwin Awards are ripe with some rebuttals, but calling the gun supporters on their hypocrisy on that front might not be a good idea.

but yes the Parkland kids had face a large amount of vitriol that is Disproportionate to their "Crime" of speaking against gun violence. Victim blaming, harassment and being though of as pawns by conspiracy theorists (or inherently Too Dumb to Live because of youtube challenge memes).

[down] the people using that as "proof".

edited 28th Mar '18 4:08:55 PM by MorningStar1337

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#236964: Mar 28th 2018 at 4:01:15 PM

[up] Rebuttals against who, exactly? The kids or the people using that as "proof"?

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#236965: Mar 28th 2018 at 4:10:33 PM

And they were also the target of a Massive Disinformation Campaign, by foreign and local actors. All the conspiracy theories about them made it on the Disinfo Dashboard, because they were picked up by Russian Bots.

This talks about just one particular botnet, orchestrated by a local actor alone.

edited 28th Mar '18 4:11:46 PM by megaeliz

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#236966: Mar 28th 2018 at 4:15:06 PM

So, in February, the Border Patrol announced it was doing Calexico fencing repairs. They issued a statement making it clear that it had nothing to do with Trump and his wall, it was just repair work that had been scheduled and planned for quite some time. They state in their announcement that they wanted to be clear that it's got nothing to do with Trump's wall and they want to stop any confusion before it happens.

Cue today, and guess who is tweeting pictures of his beautiful new wall that is getting built with recently allocated £1.6bn? His leading picture, by the way, is identical to a leading picture used by the second news article I've linked to.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Imca (Veteran)
#236967: Mar 28th 2018 at 4:21:44 PM

[up][up] To be fair, the botnets are also pushing suport for them as well.

#marchforourlives was the leading bot push 2 days ago.

The russian's don't care who they suport, they aren't actualy activists, they just want to cause chaos, and the best place to be as an arms dealer is supplying every one.

edited 28th Mar '18 4:22:07 PM by Imca

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#236968: Mar 28th 2018 at 4:22:51 PM

[up]x6 By the way, don't read the comments on that article if you have problems with high blood pressure. Every time I read something written by some alt-right nutjob, it makes me want to perfect that IP tracking program so that I can hunt them down and punch some reality into them.

edited 28th Mar '18 4:23:03 PM by danime91

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#236969: Mar 28th 2018 at 5:27:35 PM

I'm not surprised that someone who has consistently been very insistent on their right to wield guns on this thread is mad at the Parkland kids for daring to be upset about firearms and pushing for more gun control. Even going so far as to be upset at their supposed immunity to criticism, when in fact they have been bombarded with a lot of fake bullshit to discredit them as well as the tired old "they're just stupid kids they don't know any better" rhetoric adults throw around when kids say things they don't like.

edited 28th Mar '18 5:29:01 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#236970: Mar 28th 2018 at 5:47:43 PM

So Trump's VA pick seems to be pretty good, he's a Rear Admiral and longtime doctor who has served 3 Presidents. Sounds like he has the administrative and subject matter experience for the job at least.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#236971: Mar 28th 2018 at 5:48:29 PM

Re: Attorney-Client Privilege

The privilege is negated if you're talking in the presence of a third party. There has to be a reasonable expectation of confidentiality, and that doesn't exist if there's someone else in the room, even if they also have their attorney with them. There can be other privilege rules in play, but not the basic privilege.

Having an attorney in the room is not a get out of jail free card in any circumstance.

edited 28th Mar '18 5:49:12 PM by Clarste

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#236972: Mar 28th 2018 at 6:11:15 PM

This is a very good point about Trump trying to issue Pardons to Manafort or Gates.

Remember, a pardon requires an admission to the crime for acceptance, Donny.

To accept a pardon for furthering a Conspiracy to Defraud the US would be effectively admitting guilt to felonies in 50 States, half of which have Attorneys General who would file charges.

Anyone have any guesses on who would be first to file?


And this is not American Politics per say, but it's too good to pass up.

Julian Assange is now #StuckInAnEmbassy without Wifi.

That is beautiful.

edited 28th Mar '18 6:21:37 PM by megaeliz

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#236974: Mar 28th 2018 at 6:48:04 PM

@Grafite

Note - they were his initials the girls were getting branded with, not Allison Mack's - she was just the "head slave", as it were, but possibly enthusiastically-so, based on the information available.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#236975: Mar 28th 2018 at 7:29:24 PM

"Julian Assange is now #Stuck In An Embassy without Wifi."

Oh, this is incredible.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

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