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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#236926: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:40:38 AM

[up] Who told you they were immune to criticism? They just happen to be making much more cogent arguments than the people currently criticizing them.

They should have sent a poet.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#236927: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:42:35 AM

It seems less immune to criticism and more most everyone here agrees with them.

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#236928: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:43:07 AM

[up]X4 I’m having trouble understanding your post, can you clarify it for me. Could Trump’s lawyer before forced to testify about his conversation with Manafort’s lawyer?

[up][up] Also all the criticism that had been levied at them is bullshit.

edited 28th Mar '18 11:45:09 AM by Silasw

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Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#236929: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:44:08 AM

If anything, I’ve seen the opposite - people who say that they shouldn’t be taken seriously, because they’re minors.

I think Trevor Noah put it best - if they’re old enough to get shot, they’re old enough to have an opinion about getting shot.

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FyodorDose Since: Mar, 2018
#236930: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:46:50 AM

[up] Who says they're old enough to be shot? When has a child ever not had a right to be safe?

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#236931: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:51:11 AM

What, do you seriously think I’m saying that there’s an age where getting shot is perfectly fine?

What we’re saying is that being younger than 18 hasn’t protected these kids, so it’s fair that they have a voice in these matters. If there are problems with their proposals, then we can discuss them like any other problems, rather than just dismissing them out of hand.

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#236932: Mar 28th 2018 at 11:51:49 AM

[up][up] The people shooting them.

Honestly, what sort of absurd argument is that? "They shouldn't be being shot at so they don't deserve to have opinions regarding guns even after being involved in a shooting" just comes across as "they disagree with me so I will discredit them".

edited 28th Mar '18 11:51:57 AM by RainehDaze

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The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#236934: Mar 28th 2018 at 12:01:07 PM

[up][up] So they basically think Infant Immortality actally works in reality?

rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#236935: Mar 28th 2018 at 12:05:54 PM

If criticism of the Parkland kids beyond "they're kids/teens, therefore they are stupid and their argument is invalid" exists I'd love to hear it. For the novelty value if nothing else.

edited 28th Mar '18 12:06:12 PM by rikalous

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#236936: Mar 28th 2018 at 12:07:10 PM

[up]x8 I think there are some actual criticisms that could be directed against them, but all the ones I've seen so far are indeed bullshit. There's also the fact that "less guns" is uncontroversially easier to defend than "more guns".

edited 28th Mar '18 12:07:37 PM by archonspeaks

They should have sent a poet.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#236937: Mar 28th 2018 at 12:07:37 PM

I mean, there was that one who opposes gun-control, and has been featured on Fox News and the like. Apparently he deserves to be taken seriously, based on his own merits.

That tends to be a thing with situations like this, kids who have liberal positions are stupid and free to be ignored, while those who hold the conservative positions are wise-beyond their years and free thinkers.

edited 28th Mar '18 12:09:09 PM by LSBK

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#236938: Mar 28th 2018 at 12:11:44 PM

I'm not really getting what makes the parkland kids immune to criticism. I've noticed it's "wrong" to disagree with them because "they're just kids." I feel like if they're old enough to support a political agenda and have people rally behind them, they're old enough to be criticized like every other political figure, ever.

Said criticism consists of "learn CPR" and "arm them with rocks" so... lol

I also find it funny how they're not old enough to be allowed an opinion of being pro-gun control, but are old enough to get married off in some parts of the country.

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#236939: Mar 28th 2018 at 12:12:19 PM

@Silasw: Basically if it was just a conversation between Dowd and the lawyers then yes he can be made to testify. But if it was a conversation between him, the lawyers, and their clients, then attorney client privilege may come into play, since him testifying would be a breach of their privilege.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#236940: Mar 28th 2018 at 12:20:09 PM

[up][up] Don't forget that meme of one of them tearing the Constitution in half.


[up] Can't have attorney-client privilege without the client?
[up] Who says they're old enough to be shot? When has a child ever not had a right to be safe?
I'm just going to let the absurdity of this question speak for itself.
I mean, there was that one who opposes gun-control, and has been featured on Fox News and the like. Apparently he deserves to be taken seriously, based on his own merits. That tends to be a thing with situations like this, kids who have liberal positions are stupid and free to be ignored, while those who hold the conservative positions are wise-beyond their years and free thinkers.
In short, "they're too young for their opinions to be taken seriously unless their opinions agree with mine."
[down] Wasn't there a recent kerfuffle about a state (not sure if it's yours or not) that tried to pass a law to prevent gay marriage and included loophole for child marriage in the process?

edited 28th Mar '18 12:27:38 PM by sgamer82

Bur from Flyover Country (Living Relic) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#236941: Mar 28th 2018 at 12:24:00 PM

[up] x3 Specifically my state where they REFUSE to raise legal marriage age from fifteen because “parental rights”.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#236942: Mar 28th 2018 at 12:31:01 PM

A bit more from https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2018/03/28/day-433/

Stormy Daniels' attorney filed a motion to depose Trump and his lawyer, Michael Cohen, about their knowledge of an agreement to pay the porn star $130,000 a week and a half before the 2016 election. In the court filing, Michael Avenatti said each deposition would last for no more than two hours. He also filed a motion seeking a jury trial in no more than 90 days. (CBS News / NBC News)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/stormy-daniels-lawyer-files-motion-depose-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-n860656

At least 12 states plan to sue the Trump administration over the proposed addition of a citizenship question on the 2020 census. Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island and Washington will join New York State attorney general Eric Schneiderman in a multi-state lawsuit to stop the Trump administration from including the question on the next census. California has filed a separate suit. (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/us/census-citizenship-question.html

Trump: "THE SECOND AMENDMENT WILL NEVER BE REPEALED!" Trump tweeted the all-caps statement in response to retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens calling for the Second Amendment to be repealed yesterday, citing the right to bear arms is outdated and misunderstood. (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/28/us/politics/trump-second-amendment.html

James Comey will sit down with Anderson Cooper for a town hall on April 25th at 8pm ET. Comey will also talk with Jake Tapper at 4pm ET on April 19th. (The Hill / CNN)

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/380628-cnn-to-host-town-hall-with-comey-next-month

edited 28th Mar '18 12:32:53 PM by sgamer82

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#236943: Mar 28th 2018 at 12:32:53 PM

Literally no one ever has said that they are or should be immune to criticism. Their supporters (and they themselves) have said that the criticism of "they're just kids" is completely ridiculous.

See, it's showing up asking non sequitur questions based on strawmen that make people think you're a troll.

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#236944: Mar 28th 2018 at 12:46:19 PM

Denying/downplaying the surge of white nationalists and Nazis doesn't help the "I totally a centrist" cred either lol

edited 28th Mar '18 12:49:39 PM by NoName999

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#236945: Mar 28th 2018 at 12:56:05 PM

[up]x4 it's reminiscent of "Old enough to Die, old enough to vote", the slogan used by young people, when they wanted to lower the voting age to 18 because of the draft and the Vietnam War.

edited 28th Mar '18 12:57:23 PM by megaeliz

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#236946: Mar 28th 2018 at 12:56:20 PM

But if it was a conversation between him, the lawyers, and their clients, then attorney client privilege may come into play, since him testifying would be a breach of their privilege.

Follow up, if the pardon offer could be considered obstruction of justice and thus a crime, does everyone’s privillage get thrown out when it comes to an investigation into said obstruction of justice? As at that point the lawyers are also party to a crime.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#236947: Mar 28th 2018 at 1:03:49 PM

So in non-Trump related news, the leader of Nxvium (pronounced Nexium) was arrested for sex-trafficking today.

The leader of a secretive group in upstate New York turned female followers into brainwashed "slaves" who were branded with his initials and coerced into having sex, authorities alleged on Monday in a criminal complaint charging him with sex-trafficking. Keith Raniere, co-founder of the group called Nxivm, was arrested in Mexico and returned to Texas Monday, authorities said. He was to appear in court on Tuesday in Fort Worth on the charges filed by federal prosecutors in Brooklyn.

According to the complaint, Raniere — known within the group as "Vanguard" — oversaw a barbaric system in which women were told the best way to advance was to become a "slave" overseen by "masters." They also were expected to have sex with him and do menial chores for masters, and to keep the arrangement a secret or be publicly humiliated, the complaint says.

"These allegations are most disturbing to me as non-violence is one of my most important values," the letter said.

The complaint said that many victims participated in videotaped ceremonies where they were branded in their pelvic area with a symbol featuring Raniere's initials.

"During the branding ceremonies, slaves were required to be fully naked, and the master would order one slave to film while the other held down the slave being branded," the complaint says.

Investigators said Raniere preferred exceptionally thin women, so "slaves" had to stick to very low-calorie diets and document every food they ate. As punishment for not following orders, women were forced to attend classes where they were "forced to wear fake cow udders over their breasts while people called them derogatory names," or threatened with being put in cages, court papers say.

Raniere left the United States late last year after The New York Times reported the stories of some women who defected from their secret sorority and the government began interviewing potential witnesses. He sought to cover this trail by using encrypted email and ditching his phone, court papers say.

Safe, Sane, and Consensual this wasn't, from the sound of things, and it included some decidedly high-profile folks, which is why I'm sharing the details on here. Even worse - these allegations first came to light in 2012, so we can only hope that law enforcement was gathering evidence in those ~6 years.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#236948: Mar 28th 2018 at 1:07:24 PM

[up][up]I mean, it depends on if Trump does decide to pardon them, which, considering Trump, could go either way. I definitely think Mueller would throw that on top of the obstruction of justice evidence pile if it happens, and attorney client privilege gets tossed out the window since the lawyers would also get implicated.

edited 28th Mar '18 1:07:32 PM by danime91

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#236949: Mar 28th 2018 at 1:16:58 PM

[up][up] Yup, and according to rumors Allison Mack of Smallville fame is a co-conspirator and on the verge of being arrested.

edited 28th Mar '18 1:17:26 PM by Ghilz

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#236950: Mar 28th 2018 at 1:20:33 PM

So what you're saying is that there was a Secret World of Allie Mack?

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