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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#236826: Mar 27th 2018 at 10:49:45 AM

[up][up] We've done it more than a few times before. That's what Article 5 is for. There were a few conditions, but the process for adding new amendments can be used to change existing ones.

edited 27th Mar '18 10:51:56 AM by archonspeaks

They should have sent a poet.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#236827: Mar 27th 2018 at 10:49:55 AM

The Twentieth and Twenty-First amendments, beginning and ending prohibition respectively, could be considered precedent.

And anyway, the constitution is a "living document", that allows for flexibility to respond to new challenges, and values. Why do you think we have the ability to amend it anyway?

edited 27th Mar '18 10:54:01 AM by megaeliz

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#236828: Mar 27th 2018 at 10:51:45 AM

@Clarste: Well the NRA is obviously a firearms-advocate, but to answer the question in general:

Shurikens are a niche interest whose only real utility is target practice. You can't really hunt with them and you also can't really use them for self-defense. The only "real-world" application is using them to injure a target so you can assassinate them more easily.

Having said that, yeah, it's silly. The Foot Clan hasn't been a problem in a long time, and no president has been kidnapped by Ninjas since Reagan. There are better ways to assassinate people anyways. Moreover, even if Ninja-related crimes were a common problem these days, part of the reason why we have the 2nd amendment is so that when you get attacked by ninjas, you can just shoot them.

Ergo, banning shurikens is a dumb solution to a problem that doesn't exist and one we're already protected from anyways.

Leviticus 19:34
danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#236829: Mar 27th 2018 at 10:54:22 AM

[up]We should have an amendment protecting the rights of genetically anomalous shelled reptiles who have not yet reached the age of majority.

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#236830: Mar 27th 2018 at 10:55:41 AM

I'm pretty sure that shuriken and nunchaku were banned because they were easy to fabricate and, through the power of ninja turtles, very marketable to kids, making them essentially very dangerous toys.

Much like guns these days, of course, but there's no National Ninja Association.

edited 27th Mar '18 10:56:03 AM by Kayeka

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#236831: Mar 27th 2018 at 10:57:41 AM

[up][up] Agreed! People like Agent Bishop just don’t get it.

Leviticus 19:34
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#236832: Mar 27th 2018 at 10:58:20 AM

Press release from AG Schneiderman's office.

Attorney General Schneiderman To Lead Multistate Lawsuit To Preserve Fair And Accurate Census

NEW YORK — New York Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman announced today that he will lead a multistate lawsuit to preserve a fair and accurate Census.

Attorney General Schneiderman released the following statement:

“A fair and accurate count of all people in America is one of the federal government's most solemn constitutional obligations. The Trump Administration's reckless decision to suddenly abandon nearly 70 years of practice by demanding to know the citizenship status of each resident counted cuts to the heart of this sacred obligation – and will create an environment of fear and distrust in immigrant communities that would make impossible both an accurate Census and the fair distribution of federal tax dollars.

This move directly targets states like New York that have large, thriving immigrant populations – threatening billions of dollars in federal funding for New York as well as fair representation in Congress and the Electoral College.

My office will lead a multi-state lawsuit to protect New Yorkers, preserve a fair and accurate Census, and hold the Trump Administration accountable for violating both the 14th Amendment and the Enumeration Clause of the United States Constitution.”

edited 27th Mar '18 11:00:50 AM by megaeliz

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#236833: Mar 27th 2018 at 12:17:37 PM

You say that US vs Miller is a bad example of jurisprudence, but then cite Mc Donald vs Chicago, which was a suit brought forth by the NRA and an old dude who wanted a handgun and didn't want to register it, and Caetano vs Massachusetts, which was an utterly ridiculous case, and besides didn't even pertain to whether or not individual ownership is covered by the 2nd Amendment, only what constituted "arms" and that the 2nd Amendment extended to the States as well, which was actually a blow against regulation.

DC vs Heller I can't really say anything about, other than that it had a ridiculous basis for allowing ownership of handguns ("Common use", meaning that since everyone was already doing it, it should be protected. What?) and that Scalia was one of the worst Justices to progress.

You're arguing in bad faith again. Nothing you mentioned is an argument that the judgment was bad except that it reached a conclusion you don't like. I pointed out that the Miller SCOTUS case had no defense mounted at all because the defendant was murdered and this was deliberate on the part of the district judge who sent it to the SCOTUS in the first place (the lack of a defense, not the murder).

If you can't see the difference between "this case was bad because I don't like the conclusion they reached" and "this case was bad because it was intentionally set up to favor one just from the beginning" then I really don't know what to tell you.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#236834: Mar 27th 2018 at 12:44:12 PM

Trump has suggested funding the Wall through the Defense budget.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/27/politics/donald-trump-border-wall-military/index.html

I'm sure this will go over well...

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#236835: Mar 27th 2018 at 12:56:35 PM

What kind of defense could be mounted to argue "I have the right to own a sawed-off shotgun"? Yeah, there was no defense at all, but the right conclusion was reached. While we should never fall to "the ends justify the means", just because the means were bad does not somehow invalidate the end result.

And sometimes, maybe, "I don't like the conclusion the court reached" is the right response. Highly simplified, of course, but the general gist of it is that sometimes the courts will make decisions based on party policy and populist sentiment rather than genuine impartial consideration of what would be right, fair, and just. And sometimes they come to the wrong conclusion even if they did try to be impartial, because they're only human. So what I'm saying is that interpreting the 2nd Amendment to somehow mean everyone has an uninfringeable right to own a gun is the wrong conclusion reached by the courts.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#236836: Mar 27th 2018 at 1:33:06 PM

Even if that somehow is the correct interpretation of what the amendment means, then that only means that the amendment is, itself, wrong. It's a stupid and unnecessary civil right.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#236837: Mar 27th 2018 at 1:33:39 PM

Since Trump will probably see this, and may well take the results seriously, here's a twitter poll by Fox and Friends, about whether citizenship should be listed on the 2020 census?

Here's a question, does Trump control Fox and Friends, or does Fox and Friends control Trump? Either way, both are pretty much taken over by the Kremlin's agenda by Proxy.

edited 27th Mar '18 1:39:44 PM by megaeliz

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#236838: Mar 27th 2018 at 1:34:07 PM

[up][up]And assuming it isn't the correct interpretation?

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#236839: Mar 27th 2018 at 1:39:06 PM

Then the amendment is still wrong because it's built upon a flawed premise, which is still better than enshrining a social hazard as a right.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#236840: Mar 27th 2018 at 1:41:26 PM

The Census change isn't aimed at immigrants, intimidating them is just a means and a bonus. The real goal is to get fewer people from Blue states to report, so that their political pull and funding gets cut.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#236841: Mar 27th 2018 at 1:51:30 PM

Remember how I've mentioned that shame is Trump's Kryptonite Factor, right? And that he'll do anything to avoid that shame? And when crushing humiliation invariably comes, he shuts down?

Trump has not made public remarks for the last four days and no public events today, per WH schedule

edited 27th Mar '18 2:21:02 PM by megaeliz

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#236842: Mar 27th 2018 at 1:58:52 PM

Hmmm, it is just Daniels? Or could this be Mueller making progress that we don't know about yet?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#236843: Mar 27th 2018 at 2:02:37 PM

Probably Daniels, I don't think Mueller would cause shame as much as it would enrage or terrify him. Neither of which would cause silence.

edited 27th Mar '18 2:10:09 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#236844: Mar 27th 2018 at 2:08:43 PM

[up][up] I bet it's Daniels.

Which part would shame him most? Stormy didn’t want to have sex with him? Spanked him? Knew he was lying re Apprentice gig? Or that he has a sick thing for his own daughter? [1]

All of the above. He came across as a weak, unattractive deviant who has to use lies to coerce a woman into begrudgingly sleeping with him.

This is the same guy who leaked stories to the tabloids about his mistress in the 1980’s to try to promote his sexual prowess. [2]

The thing is we already know these truths about him, and I suspect he knows that we do, although his followers still call him a saint and a good family man. So it’s as if it’s not ppl opinions that matter 2 him but his own? She shamed him b/c he recognizes the truth abt himself? [3]

More like she shamed him because she damaged the facade he presents: desirable, powerful, seductive, successful, etc. [4]

'Do you think deep down he knows he’s none of those? Is he even capable of reflecting at all? If he believes his own lies 100% of the time, that’s extremely dangerous for all of us. [5]

It’s a kind of fascinating phenomenon. People with severe narcissistic personality disorder are like actors in character.

Deep down inside, they know they aren’t that character but as long as nothing happens to interrupt the performance, they can fool even themselves.

It takes very little to pierce that veil though. They’re incredibly fragile and susceptible to “narcissistic injury” so that defense mechanism breaks down over and over...

...and then they lash out at whoever damaged the facade. [6]

The longer he stays quiet, the more he's been humiliated.

As I said on Sunday, when Trump has been deeply publicly embarrassed, he goes into hiding.

Our boy is in full Punxatawny Phil mode.

You can measure how badly Trump has been humiliated by how long he stays quiet.

We’re on Day 3. That’s a record. After Charlottesville was about 3 days. Only came out when forced.

We’ll see when he resurfaces. Might be a rage fest.

edited 27th Mar '18 2:20:00 PM by megaeliz

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#236845: Mar 27th 2018 at 3:04:07 PM

We’ll see when he resurfaces. Might be a rage fest.
I'm honestly wondering if Trump could end up shamed into some kind of Rage Breaking Point.

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#236846: Mar 27th 2018 at 3:16:17 PM

Maybe he'll finally say the n-word in public.

Okay, seriously? Why do I get all the worst pagetoppers?

edited 27th Mar '18 3:16:36 PM by PhysicalStamina

i'm tired, my friend
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#236847: Mar 27th 2018 at 3:17:09 PM

I'm honestly wondering if Trump could end up shamed into some kind of Rage Breaking Point.
I'm honestly afraid that if he does, it'll culminate in him trying to launch nukes over the objections of Sec Def and the Joint Chiefs.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#236848: Mar 27th 2018 at 3:24:13 PM

There's procedures in place for that kind of thing. There's no literal Big Red Button. One man cannot start global nuclear annihilation on a whim.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#236849: Mar 27th 2018 at 3:25:59 PM

I have some faith that the situation room staff would just play dumb at that point and say that they need that order written out by hand in triplicate, that and the football carrier will go "I'm sorry mr president, I appear to be suffering a vivid hallucination, as you couldn't possibly have said what I think you just said. There it goes again, sorry my president, I'm going to need to go to the hospital."

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#236850: Mar 27th 2018 at 3:28:56 PM

Also, service members have no legal requirement to obey an unlawful order even if that order comes from the President himself.

They should have sent a poet.

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