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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#236701: Mar 26th 2018 at 11:44:49 AM

Well, on the oil and gas front the increasing availability of renewable energy should eventually squeeze them out. For the time being we simply can't compete with their prices in Europe. Supplying historic buyers of Russian oil with renewable tech might work, though it would piss Russia off something awful.

Arms exports are a different deal, I'm not really sure of any way we could straight-up stop them. I mean, we don't exactly have a moral high ground when it comes to the subject, and how are we supposed to tell countries like India and Venezuela, or Vietnam, that they should just stop buying from their main weapons supplier? There's always a market for Russian arms, they're cheap and work well and they'll sell you literally anything. Especially for countries that have been denied sophisticated weapons by the US, they're a very good option.

[up] A lawyer friend of mine was legitimately shocked, apparently it's a massive amateur mistake. He basically said that the number one thing you can't do is move money around like that, you can be shady and unethical all you want as long as you don't do that one thing.

edited 26th Mar '18 11:46:14 AM by archonspeaks

They should have sent a poet.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#236703: Mar 26th 2018 at 12:27:12 PM

Interesting short thread about Trump's nonresponss to the 60 minutes interview.

Reminder: When Trump is angry, he tweets. When he has been shamed, he’s silent.

Crickets tonight. 1/

To the folks who naturally think Trump can’t be shamed, while his bluster might make it seem that way, Trump’s entire existence is an attempt to avoid shame. 2/

"There are only two driving impulses: 1) Avoid shame;and 2) Collect adoration and esteem. That's it. There is no other priority or concern."

There are only two driving impulses: 1) Avoid shame;and 2) Collect adoration and esteem. That's it. There is no other priority or concern 3/

edited 26th Mar '18 12:28:10 PM by megaeliz

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#236704: Mar 26th 2018 at 12:48:59 PM

With the Santorum comments, USA Today published a few doctor reactions to his "advice".

Stunned physicians were quick to counter Santorum's assertion.

"As a surgeon, I’ve operated on gunshot victims who’ve had bullets tear through their intestines, cut through their spinal cord, and pulverize their kidneys and liver," tweeted surgeon and health care columnist Eugene Gu. "Rick Santorum telling kids to shut up and take CPR classes is simply unconscionable."

Rebecca Bell, a pediatric critical care physician in Vermont, tweeted that survival rates of trauma victims who require CPR at the scene of a shooting are "very, very low."

"Survival rate of people who don't get shot in the first place: much, much better, " Bell tweeted. Trauma surgeon Joseph Sakran tweeted that he felt compelled to correct a "false perception" Santorum may have conveyed.

"Victims that go into cardiac arrest after #Gun Violence are Bleeding to Death. CPR is NOT effective in this situation," Sakran tweeted.

Best one I saw when searching for it, though, was someone who quipped that "Mr. Santorum, CPR doesn't work if all the blood is on the ground."

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Wariolander Since: Nov, 2017
#236705: Mar 26th 2018 at 12:52:49 PM

[up]x4 A lot of European arms are generally better quality than American ones, and I don't want more fucking AR-15s appearing all over the place. Sick of seeing that rifle everywhere.

edited 26th Mar '18 1:02:43 PM by Wariolander

TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#236706: Mar 26th 2018 at 12:54:35 PM

[up][up]

Once again, one of the main reasons why I'm in favor of gun control is because gunshot wounds suck. Honestly. They do horrific damage.

This is dating back all the way to redcoats getting gut-shot with muskets, or the Minie Ball making its deadly appearance on the fields of the US civil war.

[up]

Agreed.

edited 26th Mar '18 12:55:21 PM by TheWildWestPyro

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#236707: Mar 26th 2018 at 1:06:35 PM

The sad thing is that there are still plenty of people ignorant enough to actually think Santorum has a point. Like, the kind of people that actually believe a gunshot in real life that doesn't hit either the heart or the head is a short hospital visit away from being all better beneath maybe a cast or artfully-arranged layer of bandaging. No one ever talks about the deep flesh injuries, the organ failure, the blood loss, the muscle damage, the incipient infection that can become sepsis with frightening alacrity, the severed spines, the months spent in physical therapy for the lucky ones and the lifetime spent in a wheelchair for the less fortunate. As a culture, we're so inured to gun violence in our media that a moron that actually believes that CPR and not gun control is the answer to gun violence is not immediately, or at all, pelted with garbage, and run off the stage.

edited 26th Mar '18 1:09:52 PM by CrimsonZephyr

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#236708: Mar 26th 2018 at 1:07:16 PM

[up][up][up] When I talk about Russian arms exports I don't mean rifles. Their big ticket items are tactical fighters, helicopters, IADS, and missiles. We won't sell the high end stuff to a lot of countries for both moral and practical reasons, Russia has no such objections. They'll happily sell to both sides of a conflict if they can, or send helicopter gunships to regimes known for using them to mow down peaceful protesters.

As for the AR pattern, there's a reason it's everywhere. Aside from switching it to a gas piston like the Germans did, nobody has really been able to do better.

[up][up] There's a pretty powerful exhibit at the Musée de l'Armée in Paris that displays knightly plate shot through by muskets and cannons. You're right to say that even since the early days it's been bad.

edited 26th Mar '18 1:07:29 PM by archonspeaks

They should have sent a poet.
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#236709: Mar 26th 2018 at 1:10:12 PM

[up][up]It's the result of tropes like Pretty Little Headshots and Bloodless Carnage invading the public consciousness.

TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#236710: Mar 26th 2018 at 1:20:28 PM

[up][up]

I'll be sure look up that particular exhibit one day.

edited 26th Mar '18 1:29:01 PM by TheWildWestPyro

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#236711: Mar 26th 2018 at 1:30:54 PM

[up][up]It's one reason why I think the victims of gun violence should be shown in complete, unflinching detail. Controversial as it is, it makes a clear statement: This is what happens to the human body. This is what these weapons were designed to do.

Similarly, it's also why I have an issue with the word "wounded." Since it's used to cover everything that isn't death, it doesn't really convey the sense of damage that may occur, especially in the case of something like lost limbs.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#236712: Mar 26th 2018 at 1:38:18 PM

[up]

While we're at it, I genuinely would like to see the "Some Asshole initiative" from The Non-Adventures of Wonderella become commonplace. Not all of the spree shooters do it for the fame/glory, but enough do that knowing they'd be referred to as just "Some Asshole" (with an accompanying bucket of chum) might sap their will to follow through.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#236713: Mar 26th 2018 at 1:42:43 PM

Yeah, rather than parading around the names, manifestos, and life stories of these murderers, Un-person them and focus on the victims instead. No need to give free advertisement, and it only inspires copycats.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#236715: Mar 26th 2018 at 2:10:51 PM

Showing everything? Depends when and where you're showing it.

SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#236716: Mar 26th 2018 at 2:13:06 PM

Jesse Hughes, of the Eagles of Death Metal, called March for Our Lives "pathetic."

Here are some choice cuts from the article:

In one of the remaining posts, Hughes shared an illustration of a woman telling a man, “I turned in my gun to do my part in ending violence,” to which he replies, “I chopped off my own dick to stop rape.”

...[Hughes] accuses the Parkland survivors of “exploiting the death of 16 of our fellow students for a few Facebook likes and some media attention”.

“As the survivor of a mass shooting I can tell you from first-hand experience that all of you protesting and taking days off from school insult the memory of those who were killed and abuse and insult me and every other lover of liberty by your every action.....Long Live Rock’n’Roll..... and may everyone [sic] of these disgusting vile abusers of the dead live as long as possible so they can have the maximum amount of time to endure their shame....and be Cursed....”

edited 26th Mar '18 2:13:22 PM by SciFiSlasher

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#236717: Mar 26th 2018 at 2:14:17 PM

...Well, fuck you too, sir.

edited 26th Mar '18 2:14:24 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#236718: Mar 26th 2018 at 2:15:24 PM

Them fighting words!

..

Dude needs to STFU

[up][up]

edited 26th Mar '18 2:15:56 PM by Ultimatum

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#236719: Mar 26th 2018 at 2:16:00 PM

Cross-posting from the RIP thread: Linda Brown, the girl at the center of the Brown v. Board of Education case that struck down school segregation in the country, has died at age 76.

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#236720: Mar 26th 2018 at 2:28:20 PM

[up]RIP.

[up][up][up][up]Yikes.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#236721: Mar 26th 2018 at 2:55:31 PM

Was he the same human waste of space who said Bataclan personnel helped the terrorists?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#236722: Mar 26th 2018 at 2:58:05 PM

Yes,because they were Muslims

I think the attack may have effected his mind in some way,can't be sure

edited 26th Mar '18 2:59:27 PM by Ultimatum

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#236723: Mar 26th 2018 at 2:58:50 PM

Even with whatever sympathy people have left for him, taking refuge in the right-wing meme-o-sphere doesn't engender much respect.

edited 26th Mar '18 2:59:20 PM by Eschaton

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#236724: Mar 26th 2018 at 3:03:11 PM

Part of me thinks when you witnesses something as awful terrorist attack like that it's very hard to let go of the anger at those responsible,so blaming it so those who happen to be of the same religion is their natural conclusion

His mind is warped basically

edited 26th Mar '18 3:03:48 PM by Ultimatum

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#236725: Mar 26th 2018 at 3:13:24 PM

[up]x4 who and/or what are Batacians?

Trump delenda est

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