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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#236626: Mar 25th 2018 at 6:21:31 PM

I kinda want his guns, he’s certainly showing traits of being a child abuser (threatening to make his kids homeless if they express political views he disagrees with) and I don’t think child abusers should be allowed guns.

Maybe he’s just pretending to be a child abuser, but I figure I’ll take him at his word.

edited 25th Mar '18 6:22:14 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#236627: Mar 25th 2018 at 6:23:14 PM

[up] Very good point.

Apparently the Dossier alleges at least two incidents, "Sex Parties" (whatever that means) in Saint Petersburg [1], and the Golden Showers incident in Moscow. [2] It also says that Trump had paid Bribes to silence the people involved. This seems to support that assertion.

Stormy Daniels payoff corroborates, in terms of modus operandi, this assertion in the dossier: "Two knowledgeable St. Petersburg sources claim Republican candidate Trump has paid bribes & engaged in sexual activities there but key witnesses silenced & evidence hard to obtain." [3]

Also, due to the fact that the payoff may have violated campaign finance laws, it could give Mueller possible leverage over Cohen.

edited 25th Mar '18 6:50:28 PM by megaeliz

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#236628: Mar 25th 2018 at 6:46:34 PM

[up] For the millionth time, nobody actually wants to take away your stupid guns!

I do. Anyone so attached to the things that they're worried about losing them at the drop of a hat seems like someone I wouldn't trust with one. tongue

edited 25th Mar '18 6:46:43 PM by RainehDaze

TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#236629: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:02:37 PM

The more time you spend around guns, the more time you spend reading about them, looking at them, handling them, the more you are aware of the dangers of firearms.

Therefore as someone who reads about guns a lot and has fired two I am in favor of gun control.

I repeat my stance: as long as they don't ban guns entirely, I'm fine with whatever process they make.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#236630: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:06:43 PM

[up] I did a little skeet shooting class at the main L.L. Bean Campus in Freeport Maine once. We used shotguns, and spent most of the time talking about Gun Safety before we even picked one up.

It wasn't my thing, but I could see why people enjoy it. (I much prefer Archery, it's less noisy, and actually a really safe sport, provided you aren't dumb about it.)

edited 25th Mar '18 7:08:17 PM by megaeliz

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#236631: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:12:40 PM

Honestly, the pro-gun people fucked themselves. For thirty-plus years, they kept screaming about any sort of gun control measures, and prevented the CDC from even studying gun violence, and backing the NRA and all its bullshit. Massacre after massacre, death after death, the situation was still the same "No gun control!" "Shall not be infringed!" "I have the right to this!" etc etc. Meanwhile, the bodies keep piling up, and the public gets angrier and angrier, and until finally, Parkland happens.

Now you have a tidal wave of young activists, in the internet/social media era, along with a growing blue Tsunami against a monster of a President, who's shown repeatedly that he doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone but himself, and they're using this to start a movement which had MILLIONS of young generation Z marching, a good chunk of whom got registered to vote. Even now, Marco Rubio on twitter is being a clown, saying he disagrees with gun control, despite the evidence flying in his face that his party is about to get fucked come November.

Now, because of their stubbornness in not wanting any gun control, long term when all of these people start consistently voting for politicians who WILL listen, the Second Amendment may not be formally repealed, but laws around the country will mean it's de-facto doesn't exist anyhow.

Good Job idiots

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#236632: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:18:27 PM

[up] And this isn't just about School shootings. This is about making sure guns are less likely to get into the hands of people who would misuse them anywhere, or would pose a threat to themselves and those around them.

Like for example, this idiot right here.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:26:35 PM by megaeliz

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#236633: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:23:57 PM

[up][up][up] That's why many veterans and service members support gun control, even politically conservative ones. In basic marksmanship training you don't even get to fire your weapon until a week or two in, and the number one lesson they impress upon you is that you don't point your weapon at anything you don't intend to kill. They make sure you know just how dangerous a rifle is.

[up] In fairness to her, that's a very safe way to carry a gun and it looks like she has it in an IWB holster down there. She is a total idiot though.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:26:04 PM by archonspeaks

They should have sent a poet.
TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#236634: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:31:02 PM

[up]

One of the most powerful pro-gun statements I've read was from a former army medic, who knew the damage intermediate rifle rounds could cause all too well. He supported the Parkland students wholeheartedly. I'm not sure if it was an NYT column or an r/army post, but it really struck me.

Others are from the veterans-turned-teachers, who have no wish to see their new surroundings turned into another war zone.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:32:14 PM by TheWildWestPyro

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#236635: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:35:20 PM

At he's not like Rick Santorum who thinks these students should've been learning how to do CPR instead of marching.

I wish I were joking.

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TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#236636: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:36:47 PM

[up]

Ignore him.

The reactionaries and far-right fools spouting some of the most hatred-filled dialogue that I've had the displeasure of hearing (about the Parkland students) deeply disgust me.

(Was that too many words?)

edited 25th Mar '18 8:01:55 PM by TheWildWestPyro

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#236637: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:44:23 PM

[up][up][up] As you pointed out, knowing what a weapon does makes one more likely to not want said weapon doing its thing near them.

When I did my marksmanship training (a very long time ago) we got a hands-on lesson in the form of a negligent discharge on our range. It was not a pretty injury.

I think we need more statements from people like that, just to impress the reality of the situation on the public. Guns are not toys, they're not a joke, there's nothing casual about them. There doesn't need to be any pathos or anything, just explain what these things are and what they actually do.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:45:25 PM by archonspeaks

They should have sent a poet.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#236638: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:46:16 PM

Y'know, if you asked me a few years ago if I ever thought the 2nd Amendment might be repealed in my lifetime, I'd have said no. But it seems like things have reached a breaking point as we've had shooting after shooting after shooting. So my answer now is "No...maybe."

Disgusted, but not surprised
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#236639: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:46:37 PM

Hey, remember those articles that were floating around last year or so that said Gen Z was going to be the most conservative generation of voters since the Fifties? Ones like this?

After the Parkland backlash, I don't think that's happening. This new demographic is untapped, virgin soil for the Democrats. If we start coming out as the resoundingly pro-gun control party, we could bring out successive graduating classes of young voters to the polls.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:49:46 PM by CrimsonZephyr

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#236640: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:54:08 PM

Once again. It's the GOP not thinking long term.

There's only so many racist morons in the country, even though there are a LOT of them

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#236641: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:57:06 PM

[up][up] Of course not. I'm from a town with a large Latino population in the People's Republic of Massachusettstongue, so my experience may be a bit different than many others, but as someone who has just gotten out of high school herself last year, I can say that we are a pretty liberal, and accepting bunch.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:59:48 PM by megaeliz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#236642: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:58:22 PM

[up][up] The GOP is rife with bigots and/or psychopaths who are in it for the potential short-term gains. Looters. They are akin to people brought in to a company as an executive hire (CEO, VP, etc.) because their credentials con the company into thinking they can help them, only to screw the company over and leave in a few years with a golden parachute as the company falls apart.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:59:38 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#236643: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:59:27 PM

That strikes me as the kind of thing that flies in the face of all available logic. You don't need continued mass-shootings for that.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#236644: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:10:16 PM

Did they... miss all demographic information when coming to that conclusion?

TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#236646: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:21:31 PM

I read the article, and it feels like a warning... based on some extreme cherry-picking of evidence that also fails a single common sense check: what the hell do you think they mean by moderate or conservative.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#236647: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:23:03 PM

@M84 I have the same feelings, I'd be surprised if any amendment gets repealed at all, with all the civic religion and idolatry surrounding the constitution, but it would be a net positive if the students are able to get rid of the second amendment (and update the first to include hate speech laws).

If all goes well, November might be the beginning of a watershed for America.

edited 25th Mar '18 8:27:14 PM by MorningStar1337

Arkasas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#236648: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:44:46 PM

[up]I would not be so hasty. We said the same thing about November of ten years ago, and look where we are now!

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#236649: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:46:12 PM

Well, all obviously didn't go well.

Optimism isn't a crime.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#236650: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:48:23 PM

I would say there's enough justification to be cautiously optimistic right now. Always keep in mind that things can go south, or even turn out better than you originally thought possible, but the default is in our favor right now, and it doesn't seem like that's going to change by the time it's November.


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