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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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Classic "good guy with a gun" fallacy.
Growing up in suburban MA, it wasn't the cops who occasionally did some walk-abouts through our high school, it was the fact that Massachusetts, not to mention our town, had strict gun control and gun ownership laws, that let parents and students sleep soundly.
edited 25th Mar '18 9:14:25 AM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."M84: I did see that on 538, I think it’s something a lot of people neglect when talking about the AWB and crime rates.
The main problem is that the US gun market is a very different beast than it was back then, and a similar ban would me much much less effective now.
Rather than regulating via some sort of nebulous category I’d rather just see regulation for guns as a whole.
They should have sent a poet.I'm definitely in support of gun laws that affect firearms as a whole, not ones that are specifically targeted for whatever type is currently scaring people. I mean, I'm not going to be like, "Oh, that crazed shooter's got his Glock, not his AR-15. Everything's fine, guys!"
Still, we have to start somewhere.
"No more" or we vote you out.
Can't wait for them to start voting in this coming election.
edited 25th Mar '18 9:21:35 AM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."![]()
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I think a better starting point would be background checks, which also have a lot of popular support. An assault weapons ban at the federal level just doesn’t make sense any more.
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Let’s not forget that not all LE Os are “good guys with guns” to begin with.
edited 25th Mar '18 9:29:38 AM by archonspeaks
They should have sent a poet.If only everyone would come at it at the ‘people kill people’ angle... banning assault weapons isn’t really the answer, it’s treating guns like cars and requiring a license to own. Take a psychology exam every so often, tests on gun safety and have an inspection on your secure storage of said guns so no one else can get them. Pass those then own all the guns you want.
Waits on background checks would be unnecessary as well as an up to date license would be enough.
That's a risk with armed guards anywhere, but in this case, it also reveals a lack of appreciation for how premeditated school shootings can be.
Honestly, I would think that not turning schools into concentration camps ought to be reason enough not to pursue the option.
Let's say a gun is improperly stored. What are the consequences if that's discovered during an inspection? Fines? Confiscation? An accessible firearm is a threat to public safety.
edited 25th Mar '18 9:38:18 AM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."Well, ideally, you'd want to have more than one. There have been a couple guys working security at both schools I've been to, and they were friendly and helpful if you needed directions or an escort, and they would spring into action effectively if a fight broke out. Maybe don't give them guns, however. A taser would work just as well and be much more non-lethal.
My school had two cops stationed in an office, and they were friendly, sure, but I don't think anyone really ever had faith in them to deliver us from a school shooting. It was simply that gun ownership was deliberately minimized through local and state law. Like, a gun owner has to provide a written justification to the police chief why they need a gun stored in their residence.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."It's also kind of what happens in Switzerland too. But that doesn't stop the pro-gun crowd holding up the entire country as some sort of paradise of deregulated firearms.
And apparently said fantasy version of the country is the only foreign country that is allowed to be cited in debate. Pointing out how gun control helped in the UK or Australia or elsewhere isn't relevant.
"Yup. That tasted purple."Even if a police officer might not present a literal threat to a shooter there’s also the psychological deterrent effect to consider.
As far as storage laws, a lot of places have those. Canada requires your gun to be stored disassembeled, and some places in Europe require proof of purchase of a safe before you can buy a gun. I think those would be good here, since a decent proportion of gun deaths in the US are accidental and come from improper handling and storage.
edited 25th Mar '18 9:45:43 AM by archonspeaks
They should have sent a poet.It’s a little bit of both! I’m looking for it now, but there’s a study floating around that showed that installing non-functional security camera decreased the rates of break ins in an area. The appearance of security or very simple barriers can be an effective deterrent.
I’m not sure how true that would be in the case of school shootings, but there have been cases where shooters simply went home after encountering locked doors.
They should have sent a poet.

Imagine Trump's budget getting passed and then he can't even get a public defender because the government can't afford to hire any more and the rest are too backlogged.