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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#236452: Mar 24th 2018 at 12:55:46 PM

but how they supposed to pull a trigger with undeveloped hands

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#236453: Mar 24th 2018 at 12:56:14 PM

[up][up][up]I don't know. I could see a rationalization of "the baby was going to die anyway", but if the whole point is to "save" the unborn, I could see that getting to some people. Maybe not this person though. Well, it's TV anyway.

edited 24th Mar '18 12:56:25 PM by LSBK

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#236454: Mar 24th 2018 at 12:57:35 PM

[up][up][up][up] I know its a joke, but weaponizing fetuses would probably be the stupidest and amoral reason to get into genetic engineering that someone would have.

edited 24th Mar '18 1:00:08 PM by MorningStar1337

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#236455: Mar 24th 2018 at 1:15:31 PM

For what it's worth, the L&O episode was from 1991. Literally the show's first season.

edited 24th Mar '18 1:16:06 PM by sgamer82

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#236456: Mar 24th 2018 at 1:17:22 PM

[up][up] Insane Troll Logic is very much at play

edited 24th Mar '18 1:17:33 PM by megaeliz

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#236457: Mar 24th 2018 at 1:37:10 PM

I saw this little informal poll on Twitter: Hypothetical question... just imagine. If high school students had "fetuses" in them, and got shot at while in school. Do you think the right would defend the gun or the unborn? The three options were Gun Unborn But'err'emails I feel like you would make their heads explode with the contradiction.

Earlier, Megaeliz posted this, specifically:

Their racial rhetoric, war-mongering, and degradation of our civil institutions is not for any moral goal. Their positions on abortion, gun rights, and the environment are not moral stances. They're designed to divide and distract us, so they can steal YOUR TAX DOLLARS.

And I don't disagree, but I don't think it's as simple as "They're running a con to steal our tax dollars." I mean, yes, they are. But they're also true believers in power and abusing. Trump said he doesn't care about abortion or LGBTQ folk on the campaign trail, and I believe him. What he wants to do is hurt people, which is why he's pushing for a transgender ban in the military again. If they cared about the deficit, or protecting the unborn, or actually securing our borders, they wouldn't do any of the shit they do.

So, to answer the question "Would the Pro-life republicans defend the gun or the fetus?" the answer is whatever they think would trigger the libs.

SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#236458: Mar 24th 2018 at 1:43:05 PM

Colion Noir, an NRATV host, mocked the Parkland teens by saying, "No one would know your names" if the attack hadn't happened.

To all the kids from Parkland getting ready to use your First Amendment to attack everyone else’s Second Amendment at your march on Saturday, I wish a hero like Blaine Gaskill had been at Marjory Douglas High School last month because your classmates would still be alive and no one would know your names, because the media would have completely and utterly ignored your story, the way they ignored his.

And the NRA really wonders why so many utterly despise them...

edited 24th Mar '18 1:43:25 PM by SciFiSlasher

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#236459: Mar 24th 2018 at 1:47:14 PM

I don't think they wonder, let alone care.

i'm tired, my friend
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#236460: Mar 24th 2018 at 1:49:02 PM

I normally don't like posting unsourced rumors, but there's apparently heavy, off the record speculation that Sessions will be canned this coming week. We'll see what happens.

[up][up]All the "real Americans" and "real people" are on their side anyway, so I doubt they care.

edited 24th Mar '18 1:50:26 PM by TheWanderer

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#236461: Mar 24th 2018 at 1:50:01 PM

It could happen, though it might just be idle speculation or some idle thought of Trump's that is never realized.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#236462: Mar 24th 2018 at 1:59:46 PM

@maegaliz: Well, in general with pointing out this sort of hypocrisy, one runs headfirst into what I call a "Hypocrisy Loop". This is when two groups use the same two issues to call the other a hypocrite for the exact same reasons.

In this specific example, Liberals complain that Conservatives want to ban abortion to protect children; but are unwilling to pass gun control measures. However, at the exact same time, Conservatives will call Liberals hypocrites for using Think of the Children! to pass gun control while defending abortion.

Usually, when a Hypocrisy Loop occurs, I've found that it's usually the case that neither side is hypocritical per se; just operating on very different values that are internally logically consistent.

Leviticus 19:34
Imca (Veteran)
#236463: Mar 24th 2018 at 2:12:51 PM

And in this case it is consistent, because they think the solution to school shootings is to arm the people in the schools, not to have less guns.

Thus there still protecting the unborn, because there "good guy with a gun" will shoot the bad guy with the gun....

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#236464: Mar 24th 2018 at 2:20:43 PM

[up] Great article you can use to refute that.

Massachusetts Had Lowest Death By Gun Rate In The Country In 2015

Massachusetts had the lowest gun death rate of any state in the country in 2015, the Violence Policy Center reported Tuesday, citing federal gun death data.

Massachusetts' position as the state with the fewest gun deaths per 100,000 residents was confirmed in a Violence Policy Center analysis showing that states "with weak gun violence prevention laws and higher rates of gun ownership" had the highest overall gun death rates in the nation in 2015.The five states with the highest per capita gun death rates in 2015 were Alaska, Louisiana, Montana, Alabama and Mississippi. After Massachusetts, the states with the lowest gun death rates were Hawaii, New York, Rhode Island and Connecticut, according to the center’s analysis.

The Massachusetts death rate was 3.13 per 100,000 residents, the center said, and its gun ownership rate was 14.3 percent. (The death rate includes homicides, suicides and unintentional shootings.)

Gun ownership rates in the states with the highest per capita gun death rates ranged from a low of 49 percent in Louisiana to a high of 67.5 percent in Montana.

"The evidence could not be more compelling that states with fewer guns and strong gun laws have far lower rates of gun death," VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand said in a statement.

For its analysis, the VPC defined "strong gun violence prevention laws" as those that "add significant state regulation that is absent from federal law, such as restricting access to particularly hazardous and deadly types of firearms (for example, assault weapons), setting minimum safety standards for firearms and/or requiring a permit to purchase a firearm, and restricting the open and concealed carrying of firearms in public."

In 2014, Massachusetts overhauled its gun laws, bringing the state into compliance with a federal criminal background check system, requiring background checks for private gun sales, and giving police chiefs greater discretion in issuing rifle and shotgun licenses.

http://www.wbur.org/news/2017/01/11/massachusetts-lowest-death-gun-rate

Gun Control Works. And we don't have to take away your guns to do it.

edited 24th Mar '18 2:22:30 PM by megaeliz

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#236465: Mar 24th 2018 at 2:23:02 PM

I mean, it's common sense. If there's a gun anywhere around you your chances of getting shot are way higher than if there isn't a gun around you. I bet if you looked at accident statistics you'd see a pretty much perfect correlation.

edited 24th Mar '18 2:23:11 PM by archonspeaks

They should have sent a poet.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#236466: Mar 24th 2018 at 2:24:32 PM

You'd say that but contrary to the facts most Americans think that gun ownership increases safety.

edited 24th Mar '18 2:24:42 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#236467: Mar 24th 2018 at 2:28:53 PM

[up]I'm a bit surprised the percentage of people who thinks makes things safer has been going up over the years, and vice-versa.

I wonder if it has anything to do with the country becoming less white, so more white people feel the need to have guns?

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#236468: Mar 24th 2018 at 2:30:17 PM

People just aren't thinking about safety in the right terms.

Guns are inherently unsafe. Not like, shoddily constructed unsafe, but more they're super dangerous and if you have something super dangerous it can hurt you just as well as it can hurt someone else.

They should have sent a poet.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#236469: Mar 24th 2018 at 2:31:57 PM

[up][up]That's certainly something that I think probably plays a part, racial grievance is a powerful force.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if it was connected to the radicalization of the NRA and by extension their propaganda.

edited 24th Mar '18 2:33:00 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#236470: Mar 24th 2018 at 2:34:00 PM

~@megaeliz

My brother once refuted the idea of lower gun deaths by stating that deaths by other methods skyrocketed. I think he was talking about Australia, if memory serves, and I don't know how true or not it is.

Your article, in the section quoted, didn't mention any changes in non-gun deaths in Massachusetts one way or the other. I'm wondering if you have any data on that question. Did deaths by other causes see a rise with higher gun control? I'd have to go back and look at the article, but did deaths overall go down?

edited 24th Mar '18 2:34:54 PM by sgamer82

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#236471: Mar 24th 2018 at 2:39:41 PM

"Skyrocket" seems questionable, for sure.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#236472: Mar 24th 2018 at 2:45:46 PM

More correctly would be to state that, despite the gun ban, the murder cases remained the same and kept following the trend of falling murder rate per capita.

It did get rid of those killing sprees though.

edited 24th Mar '18 2:46:05 PM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#236473: Mar 24th 2018 at 2:46:44 PM

[up][up] That was my word not his, but I recall the implication was a high increase

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#236474: Mar 24th 2018 at 2:53:07 PM

Oh yeah, If you make any post about today's March on Twitter, make sure to tag @realDonaldTrump. It's the only dose of reality he gets.

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#236475: Mar 24th 2018 at 3:21:21 PM

Doing nothing is the winning choice every time because a tweet from Trump may or may not actually translate into action.
Look, you know, I know, the whole damn forum knows, that the only winning move is not to play. I'm not convinced that Trump or Kim know that.

So a friend of mine reposted something from The Rolling Stone on twitter, claiming that "video games are 90% more violent than real war". I have a simple, easy to perform test for them - Let someone shoot you in the face in a video game, then let them shoot you in the face in real life. Tell me afterwards which one is more violent.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw

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