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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Earlier, Megaeliz posted this
, specifically:
And I don't disagree, but I don't think it's as simple as "They're running a con to steal our tax dollars." I mean, yes, they are. But they're also true believers in power and abusing. Trump said he doesn't care about abortion or LGBTQ folk on the campaign trail, and I believe him. What he wants to do is hurt people, which is why he's pushing for a transgender ban in the military again. If they cared about the deficit, or protecting the unborn, or actually securing our borders, they wouldn't do any of the shit they do.
So, to answer the question "Would the Pro-life republicans defend the gun or the fetus?" the answer is whatever they think would trigger the libs.
And the NRA really wonders why so many utterly despise them...
edited 24th Mar '18 1:43:25 PM by SciFiSlasher
"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."I normally don't like posting unsourced rumors, but there's apparently heavy, off the record speculation that Sessions will be canned this coming week. We'll see what happens.
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All the "real Americans" and "real people" are on their side anyway, so I doubt they care.
edited 24th Mar '18 1:50:26 PM by TheWanderer
| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |@maegaliz: Well, in general with pointing out this sort of hypocrisy, one runs headfirst into what I call a "Hypocrisy Loop". This is when two groups use the same two issues to call the other a hypocrite for the exact same reasons.
In this specific example, Liberals complain that Conservatives want to ban abortion to protect children; but are unwilling to pass gun control measures. However, at the exact same time, Conservatives will call Liberals hypocrites for using Think of the Children! to pass gun control while defending abortion.
Usually, when a Hypocrisy Loop occurs, I've found that it's usually the case that neither side is hypocritical per se; just operating on very different values that are internally logically consistent.
Leviticus 19:34
Great article you can use to refute that.
Massachusetts Had Lowest Death By Gun Rate In The Country In 2015
Massachusetts' position as the state with the fewest gun deaths per 100,000 residents was confirmed in a Violence Policy Center analysis showing that states "with weak gun violence prevention laws and higher rates of gun ownership" had the highest overall gun death rates in the nation in 2015.The five states with the highest per capita gun death rates in 2015 were Alaska, Louisiana, Montana, Alabama and Mississippi. After Massachusetts, the states with the lowest gun death rates were Hawaii, New York, Rhode Island and Connecticut, according to the center’s analysis.
The Massachusetts death rate was 3.13 per 100,000 residents, the center said, and its gun ownership rate was 14.3 percent. (The death rate includes homicides, suicides and unintentional shootings.)
Gun ownership rates in the states with the highest per capita gun death rates ranged from a low of 49 percent in Louisiana to a high of 67.5 percent in Montana.
"The evidence could not be more compelling that states with fewer guns and strong gun laws have far lower rates of gun death," VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand said in a statement.
For its analysis, the VPC defined "strong gun violence prevention laws" as those that "add significant state regulation that is absent from federal law, such as restricting access to particularly hazardous and deadly types of firearms (for example, assault weapons), setting minimum safety standards for firearms and/or requiring a permit to purchase a firearm, and restricting the open and concealed carrying of firearms in public."
In 2014, Massachusetts overhauled its gun laws, bringing the state into compliance with a federal criminal background check system, requiring background checks for private gun sales, and giving police chiefs greater discretion in issuing rifle and shotgun licenses.
http://www.wbur.org/news/2017/01/11/massachusetts-lowest-death-gun-rate
Gun Control Works. And we don't have to take away your guns to do it.
edited 24th Mar '18 2:22:30 PM by megaeliz
I mean, it's common sense. If there's a gun anywhere around you your chances of getting shot are way higher than if there isn't a gun around you. I bet if you looked at accident statistics you'd see a pretty much perfect correlation.
edited 24th Mar '18 2:23:11 PM by archonspeaks
They should have sent a poet.You'd say that but contrary to the facts most Americans think that gun ownership increases safety
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edited 24th Mar '18 2:24:42 PM by Fourthspartan56
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
I'm a bit surprised the percentage of people who thinks makes things safer has been going up over the years, and vice-versa.
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That's certainly something that I think probably plays a part, racial grievance is a powerful force.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if it was connected to the radicalization of the NRA and by extension their propaganda.
edited 24th Mar '18 2:33:00 PM by Fourthspartan56
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang~@megaeliz
My brother once refuted the idea of lower gun deaths by stating that deaths by other methods skyrocketed. I think he was talking about Australia, if memory serves, and I don't know how true or not it is.
Your article, in the section quoted, didn't mention any changes in non-gun deaths in Massachusetts one way or the other. I'm wondering if you have any data on that question. Did deaths by other causes see a rise with higher gun control? I'd have to go back and look at the article, but did deaths overall go down?
edited 24th Mar '18 2:34:54 PM by sgamer82
"Skyrocket" seems questionable, for sure
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So a friend of mine reposted something from The Rolling Stone on twitter, claiming that "video games are 90% more violent than real war". I have a simple, easy to perform test for them - Let someone shoot you in the face in a video game, then let them shoot you in the face in real life. Tell me afterwards which one is more violent.
That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw

edited 24th Mar '18 1:02:38 PM by megaeliz