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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
@ LSBK: I'm being hyperbolic sadly. But as far as big stories go, it was this guy and that guy who the Bernie to Trump supporter that tried to kill Muslims.
And remember, on our side, we still have debates on whether or not it's morally right to punch a Nazi.
edited 14th Jun '17 10:55:20 AM by NoName999
The claim that the GOP was an influence on Elliot Rodger really is reaching, especially when the fact that misogyny can be found on the far left as well.
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Whataboutism? Seriously?
When did you see a post Civil Rights Democrat insist that women submit to men regardless of reason? When did one insist that the reason for men remaining single was other men stealing women from under their noses?
edited 14th Jun '17 10:56:56 AM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotThe GOP is the defining influence on the incel boys. They're the ones pushing the message that collection of creeps has absorbed. If you spent any time on the incel boards you'd know this—their posts are filled with rants about the declining moral values of the West, and how "Tyrone" is seducing white women away from them, and how feminism is the reason they can't get any, etc, etc, etc. All boilerplate misogynistic right wing talking points. Where the incels are uniquely deranged is the decisions they make based on those talking points; the ideas are nothing new and are standard right-wing discourse.
If you're going to try and debate this away, you're gonna need to try harder.
I would like to bring up back in 2011, the shooting of Arizona Rep. Giffords was right away blamed on right wing rhetoric until it was found out the shooter was more complex in nature. So, the left can be just as exploitative in placing blame on others on the opposite side.
When people saying it's only the Right who does it, I would bring up past stories when they have done just the same thing.
While the far right should be look up as extreme, but on the other hand saying that the mainstream GOP would support the notion of minorities stealing white women and other things these groups believe in is not true. Declining morals is one talking point, but the other things you mention are actually just found in those groups.
edited 14th Jun '17 11:03:20 AM by firewriter
Non shooting news from the WTF Just Happened Today feed:
1/ Almost 200 congressional Democrats will sue Trump over foreign business ties.
2/ China preliminary approved six new trademarks for the Trump brand.
3/ The majority of Trump’s real estate sales are to secretive shell companies.
4/ Trump gave the Pentagon authority to unilaterally send new troops to Afghanistan.
5/ Trump blocked the @votevets veterans group on Twitter that was critical of him.
6/ A Trump business partner is in the running for a $1.7 billion contract to build the new FBI headquarters.
Actually.....I have noticed a pattern there. Left wing terrorist have a tendency for political targets or otherwise highly prolific targets. See the RAF. That is because they consider themselves as freedom fighters and the political class as suppressors. Right wing terrorists on the other hand have a tendency to attack minorities - and they are more cowardly about it, sneaking around at night to lay fire and picking mostly defenceless targets.
That is naturally not a fixed rule.
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You missed his blocking of Stephen King
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edited 14th Jun '17 11:05:41 AM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotWhat I am saying is that a lot of people have selective outrage on blaming others for rhetoric, and also claiming that their side is held to a higher standard.
Actually the Oklahoma bombing would refute that notion, because it targeted a building instead of minorities.
edited 14th Jun '17 11:08:07 AM by firewriter
@Draven: the kinds of people who do these kinds of things have generally left behind long term planning and reasonable expectations of consequences. Calling them idiots is kind of assuming they're still using the same kind of reasoning that you or I are.
Regarding the whole politicizing this event: Democrats are shut down when nothing has happened in recent memory. They're shut down when they try to talk about recent tragedies. They're shut down just about every time they try to talk about gun violence. The Republicans shut down or prevent as many studies about gun violence as they can. At this point, there is NEVER going to be "a good time" to talk about this issue, so literally every time has to be the time to talk about gun violence. Otherwise we're going to get exactly to jack shit on the whole issue.
The issue is that Republicans often let their guys have a pass over things that Democrats do. This is prevalent in both the current party and among many voters. You haven't exactly disproven that yet.
edited 14th Jun '17 11:08:50 AM by AceofSpades
Sanders is anything but happy about this
, and I for one do not blame the man.
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Define "a lot".
You drop random links to thoughtpieces and Google and you expect to be taken as seriously as the longtime posters here.
edited 14th Jun '17 11:08:05 AM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiothttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13103447000A18674100&page=7725#193125
Nice knowing the man I'm named after (seriously) stands against Trump.
Here are some sample quotes from the motherfucker himself, caamib, one of the "intellectual lights" of the incel community, and a major influence on, and supporter of, Elliot Rodger. I will try to provide brief summations of his rantings for those who do not wish to click on the quotes; it will not be easy because he is about as coherent someone who has just seen Cthulhu.
Feminism is worse than the Holocaust/liberals only punish white rapists but not Muslims or blacks
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A woman being raped and murdered is good because it protects men from her
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Complaining Trump won't go far enough and return to full patriarchy
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Rape is a crime against a woman's father or husband, not against her
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If you can't draw the line between this trash—and there's more of it; so much more of it—and the stances of the modern conservative (or should that be modern reactionary?) movement, I'm not sure what to say to you. It's boilerplate GOP and FOX talking points, just taken to an insane, "even the rest of the alt-right is looking at you funny", extreme by the madness that is caamib and his goons.
edited 14th Jun '17 11:13:10 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Not to mention that the original point wasn't even that the Rodgers shooting was inspired by the GOP, but that Republicans only give a shit about gun violence when they're the ones on the receiving end, which firewater has yet so far sidestepped in this case.
edited 14th Jun '17 11:27:40 AM by Wryte

edited 14th Jun '17 10:53:53 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised