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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#193101: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:08:29 AM

Not if he's dead.

The thing I hate most when these shooters are killed is that, since many are suicidal to begin with, their getting killed feels like The Bad Guy Wins.

edited 14th Jun '17 9:09:59 AM by sgamer82

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#193102: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:09:06 AM

[up]x5 Yeah, you're right, that would be the better outcome.

And it goes without saying that the best scenario would be for the shooting to have never taken place at all.

edited 14th Jun '17 9:11:42 AM by speedyboris

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#193103: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:12:32 AM

It certainly does put Republicans in a bit of a bind if the shooter was a radical leftist. If they agitate to take guns away from the Left, they're abandoning any sort of intellectual principle on gun rights. If they paint it as an act of terrorism, then they have to give up the party line that right-wing attacks are "regrettable crimes". If they ignore it, they're abrogating their hardline stance on law and order.

When an Angry White Man is shooting at Republicans, it really throws off the GOP's narrative.

edited 14th Jun '17 9:13:49 AM by Fighteer

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#193104: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:12:37 AM

This whole thing about the shooter sounds alarming...but I believe the people's reaction in the aftermath won't be bloodthirsty unlike before.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#193105: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:14:07 AM

If they paint it as an act of terrorism, then they have to give up the party line that right-wing attacks are "regrettable crimes"

Except that they don't have to give it up, because they can just claim that only leftists can inspire white people to be terrorists. That's pretty much what the far-right does.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#193106: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:15:02 AM

Rep. Chris Collins (R-NY) on Wednesday linked the political rhetoric of Democrats to the shooting of Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.) and others at a baseball field in Alexandria, Va.

"I can only hope that the Democrats do tone down the rhetoric," Collins told WBEN. "The rhetoric has been outrageous ... the finger-pointing, just the tone and the angst and the anger directed at Donald Trump, his supporters."

Oh Jesus Christ!

Gonna just share Rand Paul's hypocrisy here.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#193107: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:18:01 AM

If they agitate to take guns away from the Left, they're abandoning any sort of intellectual principle on gun rights.

I don't think there was much of that anyway. Acting on this would just (hopefully) make it more noticeable.

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#193108: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:21:37 AM

I'm mainly hoping that they keep working to alienate their own voters, making the job of retaking our government easier.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#193109: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:23:15 AM

[up][up][up] Wow, they're already politicizing this? That was quick.

Now I'm wondering if this will impact the Georgia Sixth district election.

edited 14th Jun '17 9:23:52 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#193110: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:23:37 AM

[up][up][up][up]Are you even surprised? That's how politics works in America. Democrats have to mind their tone on everything, Republicans can say and do whatever they want.

edited 14th Jun '17 9:23:49 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#193111: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:24:21 AM

[up] Ah right, IOKIYAR.

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#193113: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:27:01 AM

[up][up][up] and [up][up]Probably because the Republicans are seen as the "responsible party". Them saying harsh or awful things is seen like a parent scolding a naughty child, Democrats doing the same is seen as children throwing tantrums because they don't know what's best for them. Pretty ironic actually.

[up]Not really surprising. When it happens to them then it needs to be addressed; people are funny like that. It will be surprising if it goes anywhere, though.

Edit: I stand correct on the above. Still doubt it'll go anywhere.

edited 14th Jun '17 9:37:04 AM by LSBK

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#193114: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:29:00 AM

Even Wa Po is saying now this guy was anti-Republican. There is public record of it on Facebook, letters to his newspaper, etc.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#193115: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:29:47 AM

[up][up][up]Then refute it rather than posting a link to something that has nothing to do with the point you're trying to make.

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#193116: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:31:28 AM

[up] The thing is I believe treating Democrats as if they are held to a Double Standard comes off as too much biased opinion rather than fact.

[up][up][up]

Terry Mc Auliffe is a Democrat, and I would think that ironically this is the same type of exploitation people earlier condemned the Republicans for.

edited 14th Jun '17 9:32:58 AM by firewriter

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#193117: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:32:39 AM

Well, we don't lose 93 million a day to gun violence. That was misstated. But it is inarguably true from decades of evidence that Republicans only care about keeping guns out of the hands of minorities.

And a Democrat calling for gun control in the wake of a shooting is not in any way inconsistent, because that's what Democrats do in general. It would be hypocritical if the call were raised only when a right-wing shooter caused problems, but it isn't.

edited 14th Jun '17 9:33:33 AM by Fighteer

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#193118: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:36:12 AM

[up][up]Yeah?

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#193119: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:37:09 AM

[up][up][up]And you have not proved that assertion. Or even backed it up. Democrats call for gun control after every shooting, regardless of the politics of the person who does it. That's what you've demonstrated.

Congratulations, you've proved Democrats arent't hypocritical, unlike their Republican enemies.

edited 14th Jun '17 9:37:26 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#193120: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:46:23 AM

CNN just broke that police are responding to a shooting on the Bayshore Freeway in San Francisco.

Could be anything but...

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firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#193121: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:48:34 AM

[up][up]

[tdown]

A lot of people have had problems with Democrats calling for gun control after every shooting happens even those places that had tight gun control, and for many it comes off as exploiting a situation in order to further their political status.

edited 14th Jun '17 9:49:06 AM by firewriter

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#193122: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:48:57 AM

"Probably because the Republicans are seen as the "responsible party". Them saying harsh or awful things is seen like a parent scolding a naughty child, Democrats doing the same is seen as children throwing tantrums because they don't know what's best for them. Pretty ironic actually."

That and because like any double estándar, the republicans judge themselves a out how they feel about it, so Trump love america because..,,he said he love América, that it, not surprising the conservative side hate Obama for is lack of nationalistic rethroic, that show you a lot.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#193123: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:49:29 AM

[up][up]Still not proving anything or establishing that there isn't a double standard. Try again.

edited 14th Jun '17 9:49:45 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#193124: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:52:32 AM

Why are we talking about more about how much the other party I don't like sucks, instead of the fact people were hurt? I want to be honest, shouldn't be less on bashing on Republicans and more about finding consolation during this situation.

edited 14th Jun '17 9:55:00 AM by firewriter

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#193125: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:52:48 AM

[up][up][up][up]What is your sample population for "a lot"?

[up]Because doing so does not go back in time and convince the shooter to do something else. Because doing so does not guarantee that medical treatment for those injured is successful. Because doing so does not negate the fact that there is now precedent.

edited 14th Jun '17 9:54:49 AM by Krieger22

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