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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#193076: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:18:34 AM

If that Heavy site can be trusted, he was a Bernie or Buster who hated both parties and wanted Sanders to join the Greens.

Bad enough when these idiots open their mouths, but this guy possibly just committed terrorism.

Hopefully this doesn't get exploited too badly.

edited 14th Jun '17 8:19:15 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#193077: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:22:02 AM

[up] Of course it's going to be exploited by everyone to the Right of CNN; so Fox News up.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#193078: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:22:28 AM

[up][up] No worries, he can't possibly be a terrorist. He's white, and the GOP doesn't believe in white terrorists.

edited 14th Jun '17 8:22:35 AM by sgamer82

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#193079: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:25:38 AM

Oh the news will milk this. I'm worried about the political response more than anything.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#193080: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:30:29 AM

Truth to be told, I would not be surprised if this sparks more violence. I think political polarization everywhere, not just in the US, is reaching a breaking point where there is no way for people to even accept the same social rules.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#193081: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:30:35 AM

Glad that everyone attacked survived and are at least relatively well.

Weird reading about the shooter though, both because like myself he's from Illinois, and because his political views are oddly normal. Which is strange for a mass shooter as is the fact that he was involved in normal/non-violent politicking and got on well with those around him.

I follow some of the same kind of liberal/anti-GOP things on Facebook (needless to say, not the Bernie or Bust ones), and I'd never expect anyone posting there to engage in political violence, because they are so clearly focused on seeking change "within the system".

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#193082: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:35:55 AM

Well, isn't this just a nice little major snafu?

I swear, everything between Trump announcing his campaign and now seems like it's been nothing short of everything that could potentially go wrong for the Democrats indeed going horribly wrong. Did Obama anger the Scarlet Witch or something?

edited 14th Jun '17 8:37:08 AM by TrashJack

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#193083: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:36:13 AM

To be fair, before the word terrorism widely entered our vocabulary the word thrown around would have been assassination attempt.

The people engaged in the shooting are apparently lucky that he was a terrible shot (and please don't read any more into that than the observation of fact). He had three minutes with everyone pinned down before police arrived and the police took him on with pistols at ranges that favor a rifle.

edited 14th Jun '17 8:38:41 AM by Elle

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#193084: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:42:47 AM

Ugh. Dammit.

Is it sad the first thing I thought when I heard the story was "please for the love of god don't be Muslim, don't be Muslim. :("

New Survey coming this weekend!
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#193085: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:44:09 AM

Well there is no way that the Right isn't going to run with this now.

If nothing else the GOP is probably going get boost of support if only out of sympathy. Wouldn't be surprised if "new concern" over left-wing become a top priority too.

We can only hope this situation doesn't get too "Reichstag Firesque".

edited 14th Jun '17 8:45:32 AM by Mio

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#193086: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:46:07 AM

This guy did not have normal views. He expressed Green Party sympathies and wanted a revolution more than he believed in Sanders platform.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#193087: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:47:12 AM

No worries, he can't possibly be a terrorist. He's white, and the GOP doesn't believe in white terrorists.

Ah, but he's a white leftist terrorist. The GOP certainly believes in leftist terrorists; according to them every bad political movement, from Nazism to Communism to Islamism is the fault of the left.

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#193088: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:47:29 AM

[up][up] It doesn't matter that he's a loopy extremist. The right-wing will be only too happy to paint every last one of us with the same brush as him, and people will believe them.

edited 14th Jun '17 8:48:06 AM by TrashJack

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#193089: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:49:04 AM

[up][up] This post is accurate and also makes my amateur historian soul hurt.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#193090: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:49:50 AM

Not sure what to make of this Reuters notification I just got

"Trump says the assailant in Virginia shooting is dead" - Get updates at Reuters.com

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#193091: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:51:11 AM

Oh god, let him talk BS he got from some bad news site as press conference only to be corrected by the police, that'd be glorious self sabotage on capitalizing.

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DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#193092: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:51:13 AM

In Non-Shooting related news, 200+ Democrat Congresspeople are going to file a Lawsuit against Trump for violating the Emoluments Clause in the Constitution. This is following the Lawsuit filed by Maryland and D.C. over the same thing.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#193093: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:51:46 AM

While we're on the subject of idiots on the left, TYT has apparently been exploiting the Flint Water Crisis to promote a corporate friend.

This post is accurate and also makes my amateur historian soul hurt.

As someone going in for my PHD in history, it hurts mine too. "Hitler was a socialist" the right wing moron says, "it's in his party's name".

edited 14th Jun '17 8:53:03 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#193094: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:55:49 AM

[up]Man, I'm glad I stopped watching their channel a while ago.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#193095: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:00:44 AM

Going back a few pages, now that I'm caught up, I just wanted to respond to this:

Its not enough to simply discredit Trump, we have to discredit Trumpism. That will take awhile.

Sadly, it's probably never going to happen. Unless Trump unquestionably and unequivically fucks things up for everyone, (like causes the next Great Depression and drops an atomic bomb on the US level of fucks up) his fandom will be entrenched. There will be people 30 years from now who speak about the good old days of Trump, the way Republicans fellate Reagan.

That's part of the danger of ever letting a madman like that or his fanbase in. Once they get their foot in the door, you may never get them out of your house.

This post is accurate and also makes my amateur historian soul hurt.

Ditto.

edited 14th Jun '17 9:08:15 AM by TheWanderer

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#193096: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:03:17 AM

Washington Post confirms that the shooter is dead. It's the best outcome that could happen, I suppose: No victim deaths, only the shooter.

Still, I don't look forward to the inevitable political aftermath of this.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#193097: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:05:15 AM

No, the best thing that can happen is for the shooter to be interrogated, prosecuted, and jailed. Now we're left with a dead man who can't answer any questions and who might be seen as a martyr. Justice has not been done.

edited 14th Jun '17 9:05:28 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#193098: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:06:12 AM

Other news sources are running with the assertion that the shooter is now dead but the main source is still Donald and I don't even trust him to get something like this right :P

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#193099: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:06:13 AM

[up][up][up]The political aftermath depends on the shooter's ideology, if he was a Leftist of some sort then it will get nasty.

edited 14th Jun '17 9:06:30 AM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#193100: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:06:23 AM

Well, the media is going to have a field day with this, but I'm not as sure as some of the rest of you that this is really going to alter things that much in the long term. In the short-term, I think I'd actually be more worried about militia groups flaring up even more and them "patrolling" neighborhoods and cities and such just looking for a fight.


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