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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#193051: Jun 14th 2017 at 6:07:40 AM

[up][up]A disgruntled Trump supporter would probably have waited for Democratic Congresspeople to start batting practice.

Disgusted, but not surprised
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#193052: Jun 14th 2017 at 6:10:26 AM

It does reveal what we all knew to be true: the greatest threat to American democracy is white dudes with easy access to guns with very, very large magazines.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#193053: Jun 14th 2017 at 6:11:37 AM

Going directly for politicians would be atypical for an Islamist terror attack. Given the targets, this is more likely an extreme-left terrorist disgruntled by the Trump administration.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#193054: Jun 14th 2017 at 6:22:17 AM

Can't rule out mental illness either, that was the case in the Giffords attack.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#193055: Jun 14th 2017 at 6:23:49 AM

Another possibility is a sovereign-citizen/ general anti-government type, though I also wouldn't discount a leftist/ "antifa" type either.

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#193056: Jun 14th 2017 at 6:24:33 AM

Shooter's apparently white "chubby" middle-aged man (I think it was either Mo Brooks or Rand Paul who said so).

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#193057: Jun 14th 2017 at 6:26:06 AM

Potentially, it could be an Uber-Patriot that is tired of Congress getting in the way of the President's Agenda.

Remember, Right-Wing Organisations and Terrorist Acts are on the rise in this Country...

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#193058: Jun 14th 2017 at 6:37:19 AM

[up]That's what I meant. Someone going after the "traitors" to Trump, not the "enemy"

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#193059: Jun 14th 2017 at 6:41:31 AM

I doubt such a person would prioritize shooting Republicans.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#193060: Jun 14th 2017 at 6:45:25 AM

Dunno. Democrats are the enemy, but Republicans would be traitors

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#193061: Jun 14th 2017 at 7:02:57 AM

I doubt such a person would prioritize shooting Republicans.

"Conservatism (more like reactionism at this point) cannot fail, it can only be failed." If Trump's wall isn't built, it's because of RIN Os holding him back. If Trump's grand plan for the US fails, it's because of internal sabotage. If they ever decide to see Trump as the weakling he is and turn on him, it's because they've decided to write him off as a liberal plant.

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#193062: Jun 14th 2017 at 7:20:14 AM

I don't really see even the most rabid Trumpists as being already in the "GOP are traitors to the cause" phase. It's only been 6 months and while Trump et al hasn't really done anything major, the effects hasn't been super negative either (foreign policy aside, which most Trumpists don't care about). I think they're still in "Dems/Deep State/Obama are obstructing Trump's glorious MAGA plan" phase.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#193063: Jun 14th 2017 at 7:28:10 AM

Could also be a constituent with a more personal grudge.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#193064: Jun 14th 2017 at 7:32:32 AM

Well, now we get to see whether or not Trump and the Republicans will go full Kristallnacht on us.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#193065: Jun 14th 2017 at 7:44:39 AM

I actually don't intend to shot back on the economic topic, because it is pretty pointless. Over here Germany is only important in the context of "what could the US pulling back from its NATO partners mean for Europe and for the US". Well, and it means more power for the EU, which in turn means more influence for France and Germany and less influence for the US. Which in turns means that there is a lot of things the US has taken for granted which might not be a forgone conclusion anymore.

It also means that there is a serious danger of certain groups stylizing Germany as the "big enemy" in this scenario. The whole "Fourth Reich" nonsense falls into exactly that kind of poisonous propaganda. Because it isn't used in a "the tides have turned and Germany is on the upswing again" context (which is hard to refute, Germany hasn't been that powerful at least since Bismarck), but in a "beware, the NAZ Is are back and we have to fight them" way.

But no matter how this will end, the US can only loose. Either the EU manages to prevail, which will result on a fourth big power in the world, one which might actually start to shot back when the US oversteps its bounds - for example by starting wars to ensure that the Petrodollar prevails over the Petroeuro. Or the EU doesn't prevail, which will cause war and chaos in Europe, which will lead to the US loosing important markets.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#193066: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:03:24 AM

Apparently the perpetrator was a man aged around forty to fifty, which somewhat dampens my conviction that this was left-wing terrorism. I feel like a radical-left terrorist riled up by Trump would likely be a lot younger. But we'll see.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#193067: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:05:20 AM

Maybe it was someone upset about being ignored by a GOP rep at a town hall. Or maybe he's miffed a call to their office got voicemail.

I'm serious btw.

Disgusted, but not surprised
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#193068: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:06:02 AM

Or maybe we can patiently wait...

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#193069: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:07:01 AM

Nope - aged 66, and god fucking dammit, of course he was a Sanders supporter and considers Trump a traitor.

And since everyone (thankfully) survived and is in good condition, I have to wonder - will the tired litany of "Well if people just had more access to firearms, it wouldn't have happened!" get trotted out? Because who the hell is packing while playing/practicing baseball?

[down][down]

According to the article I linked, he was charged with Battery and "Aiding Damage to a Vehicle" in 2006, though the charges were later dropped.

edited 14th Jun '17 8:10:55 AM by ironballs16

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#193070: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:07:10 AM

So Trump will speak about the shooting in 25 minutes.

Dear God, if he mentions that it's his birthday...

[up]LOL even counting the increased violence thanks to Bernie Bros, the left still have only.... roughly 2 incidents of being violent happening.

Compared to the over 9000% increase of far right being violent since the election.

edited 14th Jun '17 8:12:59 AM by NoName999

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#193071: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:07:22 AM

[up][up] On Washington Post: Shooter was a white male in his 60's. No job, police record of violence, apparently owns guns. If he lives alone, he would fit the four star profile of a vigilante criminal.

edited 14th Jun '17 8:07:33 AM by ViperMagnum357

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#193072: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:07:33 AM

NVM

edited 14th Jun '17 8:07:55 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#193073: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:11:18 AM

I wonder how this will be spun. If he's truly a Unicorn Brigader this could get a lot of mud slung our way.

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#193074: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:13:58 AM

lets wait and see. Wapo says no criminal record which contradicts the other article, so I'm giving Wapo the benefit for now.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#193075: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:14:25 AM

[up][up]

Hence the Precision F-Strike in my post. Unwanted Assistance barely begins to describe it.

[up]

Note - the Heavy article says he'd been charged with a crime, with those charges later getting dismissed, which is in line with the WaPo article.

edited 14th Jun '17 8:15:04 AM by ironballs16

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