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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#192901: Jun 13th 2017 at 2:35:24 AM

[up] Not like that! I meant like the extent the cult does in Far Cry 5, I hope.

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#192902: Jun 13th 2017 at 2:36:03 AM

Well it does work, but the result is often a more competent militia in the aftermath.

If it's a few disjointed militias the damage could be contained to the locale they operate in, but if they network (which I suspect they have, at the very least recently) the options would be poor regardless.

Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#192903: Jun 13th 2017 at 2:38:56 AM

[up][up] Look up the Waco Siege some time. This shit has already happened in the past.

Disgusted, but not surprised
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#192904: Jun 13th 2017 at 5:13:38 AM

From Arizona:

Montini: Constituents bring cookies, congressman's office calls cops

http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2017/02/24/montini-rep-david-schweikert-congress-recess-arizona-legislature/98339876/

[[quoteblock​]] Pinny Sheoran isn’t rude or menacing. Just concerned.

She’s a citizen. A voter. Not a hooligan. Not a paid protester.

A person.

An American.

She and a group of voters from Rep. David Schweikert’s 6th Congressional District have been wanting to express their views to their representative for some time, without much luck. On Thursday, as is their usual practice, they went to Schweikert’s Scottsdale office hoping to get in a word with the congressman.

This week members of congress are in recess. Most back at their home districts. A few of the members of Sheoran’s small group of constituents brought cookies to the congressman’s office.

Someone in Schweikert’s office called the cops. [[/quoteblock]]

edited 13th Jun '17 5:14:38 AM by sgamer82

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#192905: Jun 13th 2017 at 5:23:49 AM

At the very least, the militia groups with a white supremacy bent really don't get along with each other. Most of these groups have problems with each other. Turns out that having an incredibly restrictive definition of "purity" or what a "real American" is tends to clash with other incredibly restrictive definitions of purity or what a real American is.

They're still dangerous, don't get be wrong, but a milita group from Texas isn't likely to team up with one from South Dakota, or at least not for very long.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#192907: Jun 13th 2017 at 5:34:33 AM

I misread that as "cannibals".

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#192908: Jun 13th 2017 at 6:35:01 AM

Why don't you take your own advice and resign?

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#192909: Jun 13th 2017 at 8:15:34 AM

At the very least, the militia groups with a white supremacy bent really don't get along with each other. Most of these groups have problems with each other. Turns out that having an incredibly restrictive definition of "purity" or what a "real American" is tends to clash with other incredibly restrictive definitions of purity or what a real American is.

The problem is, as long as there are non-assholes in America, these useless shits can avoid the problem of purifying each other.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#192910: Jun 13th 2017 at 8:19:40 AM

Bloomberg: Russian Cyber Hacks on U.S. Electoral System Far Wider Than Previously Known

Apparently systems in 39 states may have been compromised, including attempts to alter or delete voter details in Illinois.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#192911: Jun 13th 2017 at 8:40:25 AM

"One of the mysteries about the 2016 presidential election is why Russian intelligence, after gaining access to state and local systems, didn’t try to disrupt the vote. One possibility is that the American warning was effective. Another former senior U.S. official, who asked for anonymity to discuss the classified U.S. probe into pre-election hacking, said a more likely explanation is that several months of hacking failed to give the attackers the access they needed to master America’s disparate voting systems spread across more than 7,000 local jurisdictions.

Such operations need not change votes to be effective. In fact, the Obama administration believed that the Russians were possibly preparing to delete voter registration information or slow vote tallying in order to undermine confidence in the election. That effort went far beyond the carefully timed release of private communications by individuals and parties.

One former senior U.S. official expressed concern that the Russians now have three years to build on their knowledge of U.S. voting systems before the next presidential election, and there is every reason to believe they will use what they have learned in future attacks."

Just in case you needed something else to worry about. It won't just be the Russians, either. Everyone from China to Zimbawi is going to try to influence our next election, because everyone will feel that they have to, in order to protect themselves from the efforts of their rivals. I mean, what will happen if Russia manages to influence our elections but China doesn't? You see where this is going?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#192912: Jun 13th 2017 at 8:47:52 AM

[up] Even worse since our current POS POTUS and most of his fellow GOP Congresscritters don't even want to acknowledge the problem.

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DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#192914: Jun 13th 2017 at 8:58:31 AM

Well, Trump can just fire Rosenstein, and work his way down the chain of command until he finds someone who will fire Mueller. He could also revoke the executive authority for the special prosecutor program. The questions are whether he'd really go that far, and if so, who'd stop him. Congress? Hah.

edited 13th Jun '17 8:59:41 AM by Fighteer

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#192915: Jun 13th 2017 at 9:05:03 AM

Doing that would mean taking a significant political hit for each firing- each one would cause more of the public to turn on him, and make it harder for congress to defend him.

Plus it would cripple the department of justice, and therefore Trump's ability to actually enforce anything he wants to do.

So, like, if he's willing to go that far, it'd be a pretty big mistake on his part.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#192916: Jun 13th 2017 at 9:07:40 AM

Cyber Hacks on U.S. Electoral System Far Wider Than Previously Known

Russia’s cyberattack on the U.S. electoral system before Donald Trump’s election was far more widespread than has been publicly revealed, including incursions into voter databases and software systems in almost twice as many states as previously reported.

In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data. The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database. Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter. In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said.

We're getting dangerously close to to a headline that says "Russia changed the outcome of some voting machines."

This is goddamn terrifying.

Oh. Fuck. [nja] I guess.

edited 13th Jun '17 9:08:11 AM by TacticalFox88

New Survey coming this weekend!
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#192917: Jun 13th 2017 at 9:08:37 AM

The further Trump goes down that rabbit hole the more obvious it is that he's hiding something. Something so bad that looking like a complete imbecile who's deliberately crippling his own government is the better alternative. Granted, it's Trump, who probably has no idea what it looks like and thinks it's like a business, and the thing he's hiding might well not be that bad in the grand scheme of things. It could be something as simple as not wanting his actual assets disclosed.

It's that "the coverup is worse than the crime" thing. Because either the crime really is that bad and they should be removed from their position entirely, or the crime isn't anything important and they look like an idiot for making it look like the worst crime ever with the lengths they went to to bury it.

edited 13th Jun '17 9:13:52 AM by Zendervai

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#192918: Jun 13th 2017 at 9:14:42 AM

If Trump does get impeached by the Republicans, and if they get Pence as President, would they be able to risk carrying out what they intend to do if there will be a post-impeachment mess? I mean, no one in the Republican Party flip-flop like Trump does, but wouldn't support for the Republicans be lowered given that those who supported Trump wouldn't identify as Republican, in that, they like "outsiders" like Trump, wherein the rest of the Republican Party are from the "establishment" they detest?

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#192919: Jun 13th 2017 at 9:18:38 AM

I said before, if the Republicans are impeaching Trump, they're doing it to save their own skins.

They put party above country up until the point where the pendulum swings in their district out of their favor.

Their Congressional seat is the only true consitituency they have.

New Survey coming this weekend!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#192920: Jun 13th 2017 at 9:19:27 AM

[up][up] That's why they're not even going to entertain the idea of impeaching Trump until his approval rating gets low enough that Pence is the better option.

[up][nja]'d

edited 13th Jun '17 9:19:48 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#192921: Jun 13th 2017 at 9:23:17 AM

Re: voting machine hacking

Why does the US use hackable voting machines instead of the advanced election technology we call paper and pencil??

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#192922: Jun 13th 2017 at 9:31:22 AM

Something something voter fraud something something stuffing the ballot something something enter the 21st century.

Also, really weird priorities for spending sometimes.

edited 13th Jun '17 9:31:52 AM by Zendervai

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#192923: Jun 13th 2017 at 9:33:37 AM

Florida 2002, hanging chads and a subsequent attempt to modernize the system that was carried out by contractors who knew more about securing government contracts than building a secure voting system. By the time people started realizing this on a wider scale the money to change stuff had been spent. A lot of states *have* gone back to paper (or more popular, optical scanners pocessing paper ballots) but there are hangers on from the crowd that got computerized voting.

As pointed out though, it's not just the voting machines. Voter databases are stored digitally and much easier to access remotely if you know what you're looking for because those are turned on 24/7/365ish.

edited 13th Jun '17 9:39:18 AM by Elle

Jasaiga Since: Jan, 2015
#192924: Jun 13th 2017 at 9:36:47 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] You know this is something that still bothers me no matter HOW many times its explained that the GOP puts Party over country.

Like...why? HOW did it get to the point where Mavericks like Old John Mc Cain became virtually non-existent.

For any upcoming stars with political ambition, this is practically an opportunity handed to them on a silver platter to become a stalwart crusader or Mr. Smith goes to Washington. They'd be forever immortalized, and be a shoe-in for POTUS in a decade, if not sooner!

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#192925: Jun 13th 2017 at 9:37:33 AM

[up] John Mc Cain isn't really a maverick. Looking at his voting record, he's pretty much in line with the rest of the GOP.

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