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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#192651: Jun 9th 2017 at 8:31:46 PM

[down]There's that and it's sucky, yeah, but in terms of threat level to world security he ranks pretty low even with that.

There's nothing about Japanese policy that's inherently anti-environmental (except for whaling) that I'm aware of, however. I would also expect their tech sector to be poised to capitalize on the renewables industry. It's the "standing up to America" part that likely worries them.

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#192652: Jun 9th 2017 at 9:57:49 PM

Ryan's defense of Trump being "new to this" is just the latest in a long line of Republicans expecting us to coddle the President of the United States. We're expected to go, "Oh, look at that! Trump's signing paperwork, just like a real politician! Isn't that sweet?"

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#192653: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:00:30 PM

So, whats Trumps approvals ratings now with the whole withdrawing from the Paris agreement situation, and the resulting aftermath?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#192654: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:08:20 PM

[up][up]"Give him a chance", "He's new to this"....

FFS, he had several months to get ready for this shit before taking office! He had people willing to help him learn how to do the fucking job! And it's already fucking June!

I am so sick of these lame excuses from the GOP and from Trump's supporters. That's yet another reason I won't vote for the GOP until the unlikely event that they Grow. The. Fuck. Up.

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#192655: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:08:21 PM

[up][up]His approval appears to have dropped by 1% because of that.

edited 9th Jun '17 10:08:39 PM by Gilphon

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#192656: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:13:33 PM

[up][up] Exactly. It feels like they expect us to treat him like a college intern.

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#192657: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:17:06 PM

[up] None of the professors, save maybe the ones least concerned with teaching, at Berkeley would have put up with that kind of lazy-ass ignorant behavior from an intern.

Shit, that kind of obstinate refusal to learn how to do the job or even pretend to give a single FUCK wouldn't be acceptable from a fast food joint cashier!

edited 9th Jun '17 10:18:04 PM by M84

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#192658: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:17:14 PM

[up][up] All in all, a college intern as POTUS would be a marked improvement over Trump.

edited 9th Jun '17 10:17:57 PM by TrashJack

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#192659: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:21:06 PM

Though I'm fairly certain I already know the answer, were the GOP already branding Obama the worst president ever at this point in his presidency?

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#192660: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:24:17 PM

[up][up]An unborn fetus would be a marked improvement over Trump.

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#192661: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:25:48 PM

[up][up] I'm pretty sure that at least some of them were doing so right after Election Day in '08.

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#192662: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:27:15 PM

[up] I'm pretty sure they were already planning to do everything they could to make him a one-term POTUS at that point.

TBF, a lot of Democratic officials probably thought the same way after Trump won, aside from those still idealistic and naive enough to "give him a chance". Not that I blame them...it took me a week or two to realize Trump wasn't going to somehow become a good POTUS.

edited 9th Jun '17 10:29:40 PM by M84

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#192663: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:33:34 PM

Eh, I don't think "give him a chance" is necessarily naive or idealistic so much the reality of the situation. Even though you know there's like a 99.99% chance he's going to be a train wreck, that .01% is still something to consider.

At least at this point he's been so incompetent things haven't been nearly as bad as they could have been...which considering the state of affairs says a lot.

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#192664: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:42:40 PM

It was absolutely naive and idealistic, because we'd just watched him spend an entire year throughly describing all the reasons he'd be a terrible president.

That year was the time when he deserved to be given a chance. Back when the stakes were low enough that giving him a chance didn't involve risking letting the country get into the ground.

edited 9th Jun '17 10:44:38 PM by Gilphon

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#192665: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:47:28 PM

My point was that it just seems more like a necessity of the situation. Like it or not, we had to actually see how things would go, even if how things go amounts to "not being as horrible as I was afraid of" which still lends itself to being pretty horrible.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#192666: Jun 9th 2017 at 11:10:10 PM

Well, I mean, kind of, but in a way that makes 'give him a chance' a really asinine thing to say.

Like, if you're strapped to a chair, and a creepy looking guy comes with a bunch of unsettlingly shaped knives, 'I should give this situation a chance' is not a rational thought process. The rational thought process is 'what, if anything, can I do to get out of what's about to happen?' And if you cannot, in fact, do anything, you're still not giving the creepy guy a chance in a meaningful way.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#192667: Jun 9th 2017 at 11:11:54 PM

Well, it's moot now anyway. I'm sure anyone who was of the "give him a chance" variety on the left has long since moved past that, what with the six months of awfulness.

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#192668: Jun 9th 2017 at 11:54:31 PM

I thought the idea of "give him a chance" was that he'd be harmlessly incompetent, rather than harmfully incompetent. However, this was still naive because of the inherent dangers of a Republican-controlled Congress, which was frankly always a much bigger deal than Trump.

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#192669: Jun 10th 2017 at 12:02:16 AM

They've been telling us to "give him a chance" since 11/9. Or really, before then, too. Anyone who's been paying attention knows full well that he's out of chances and at this point in his job, that's a piss-poor excuse.

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#192670: Jun 10th 2017 at 1:54:09 AM

I think you already did give Trump his chance, if only because you had no choice, and with this chance, he nominated his cabinet: A climate change denier in the EPA, a private school nut at Education, an anti-Net-Neutrality at the FCC, and Mr "too racist to be a judge" as Attorney General. It was clear by this point that he wouldn't need a second chance to prove himself awful.

edited 10th Jun '17 1:56:04 AM by Medinoc

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#192671: Jun 10th 2017 at 2:38:23 AM

I always felt that the "give him a chance" phrase was nonsense....it should have been "hope for the best, but prepare for the worst". You don't give a hungry lion a chance that he might not attack a gazelle, either. You look for a way to get it out of his vicinity.

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#192672: Jun 10th 2017 at 3:20:36 AM

>DOJ lawyers argue Trump can accept payments from foreign governments

Did the Emoluments Clause stop existing while I was asleep or something?

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#192673: Jun 10th 2017 at 4:35:45 AM

Th Constitution is still a combination of practice and ink & paper. The former started to unravel with Mc Connell and neither mean anything w/o defenders in position of power. note 

GOP senator admonishes Democrat Kamala Harris for persistent questioning

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr admonished California Sen. Kamala Harris, along with other Democrats, and asked her to be more respectful Wednesday as she pressed intelligence chiefs testifying before the panel.

Harris pressed Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, asking him if he would send a letter to Special Counsel Robert Mueller giving him unlimited authority in his probe into possible ties between President Donald Trump's campaign and Russia.

The exchange was tense, with Harris interrupting Rosenstein as he said there wasn't time to explain the answer. Eventually, Burr interjected and asked Harris to suspend.

After the hearing, Oregon Sen. Ron Wyden, a senior Democrat on the panel, tweeted that Harris was "getting facts onto the record" and that he wasn't interrupted [Senator Burr] when he asked tough questions.

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#192674: Jun 10th 2017 at 5:00:54 AM

[up] An old white male GOP fart talking down to a young biracial female Democrat? Wow, total shocker.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#192675: Jun 10th 2017 at 5:37:47 AM

"Give Trump a chance" is a meaningless statement. If, once in office, Trump had done a sudden give-no-fucks 180 and proved to be competent and progressive, I'd have admitted that he was a good President then. As it is, I encourage Democrats to encourage and work with any random good ideas that Trump comes up with and that his handlers don't manage to squash, while I also hope for a 2018 blue wave that finally reins him in for good.

(As for impeachment, I'm against it unless we have a 2/3 blue Senate, which is code for "Pence, if you don't do exactly as we say, you'll be joining him." Impeaching Trump with Republican support just gives us Pence unchained.)


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