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LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#192526: Jun 8th 2017 at 8:51:04 PM

I wonder what it would take for any third party to gain any traction in the House or Senate.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#192527: Jun 8th 2017 at 8:53:38 PM

If other countries are any indication: either a civil war, or a major scandal that collapses a party

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#192528: Jun 8th 2017 at 8:54:16 PM

A fundamental restructuring of how parties are organized and how elections are conducted.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#192529: Jun 8th 2017 at 8:54:49 PM

A reform of the system, for one, which lends a lot of inertia to the two incumbant parties when it comes to state and national election exposure and access to resources.

edited 8th Jun '17 8:55:17 PM by Elle

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#192530: Jun 8th 2017 at 8:55:18 PM

It's mostly bc I was tracking the UK election and they have FPTP but also have more than two parties

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#192531: Jun 8th 2017 at 8:55:26 PM

An act of God.

But, to be more serious, one of the two parties would have to not only take power but willfully relax/remove all the institutional roadblocks designed to stifle third parties. I can't see that happening.

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#192532: Jun 8th 2017 at 8:57:56 PM

[up][up] One of the other Major parties to start dying. That's really been the only time; the Federalists started dying and were replaced with the National Republicans. The National Republicans reformed into the Whigs. The Whigs died and the Republicans and Know-Nothings vied for power until the Slavery Issue killed off the Know-Nothings. If the Democrats and Republicans hadn't adopted certain ideas from Progressivism, we might have still had the Greenbacks and/or the Bull Moose Party.

If we're lucky, we could see a new Party take over as the Republicans slowly lose their last voter bastion; the White Baby Boomer Neoconservatives. If the Republican Party does die off, I'm expecting the Libertarians to be the ones who take over.

[up] That too, but that will never happen.

edited 8th Jun '17 8:59:31 PM by DingoWalley1

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#192533: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:06:40 PM

I feel like the two-party system is a combination of FPTP, the "big tent" nature of the GOP and Dems, and the fact that all the high profile third parties are....kind of crazy.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#192534: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:09:05 PM

Yeah, the Green Party or Libertarian Party getting more clout as they are now doesn't exactly strike me as a good thing.

edited 8th Jun '17 9:09:28 PM by LSBK

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Oh, bother.
#192535: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:09:44 PM

[up][up] Kind of crazy is an understatement.

I certainly don't want the likes of say, Ajamu Baraka, anywhere near the WH.

edited 8th Jun '17 9:10:33 PM by M84

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LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#192536: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:10:39 PM

I think the issue is the saner elements of the Greens and Libertarians have long since been absorbed by the Dems and Reps respectively. Big tents and all that.

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#192537: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:15:50 PM

[up] Considering how crazy the Republicans are starting to become, I'm not sure if the Sane Libertarians in that party are going to stick around much longer, or the sane Neoconservatives for that matter. I know for a fact I'm never voting Republican again, so you can count at least one Libertarian who isn't (whether you think I'm sane or not is an entirely different matter).

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#192538: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:17:29 PM

There was a time I would have considered voting Republican (before I reached voting age).

That ship sailed a long time ago.

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LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#192539: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:18:06 PM

I was thinking of editing in "since the Republicans are becoming the insane ones, we'll see about that".

I wonder if someone could slot in a third party just to the left or to the right of the Democrats.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#192540: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:20:33 PM

I was wondering recently in the hypothetical scenario of the Republican Party imploding what would fill the void: a new left-wing party enabling the Democrats to be the party of sane conservatives, or a sane right-wing party that would allow the Democrats to move further to the left.

edited 8th Jun '17 9:21:00 PM by LSBK

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#192541: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:23:49 PM

[up] There's also the possibility of a Neo "Era of Good Feelings", where we become a One Party State for 8-12 years with only the Democrats existing, before their tent fractures (again) into 2 Parties.

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#192542: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:23:55 PM

[up][up] And by further moving to the left, you mean becoming more liberal?

edited 8th Jun '17 9:24:09 PM by Luigisan98

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#192544: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:27:43 PM

In America, liberalism is sort of in a few catagories. The classically liberal Libertarians, and the progressive social liberalism, and the neoliberals. From most conservative (on economic issues) to least, it's something like, the Libertarian, the Neoliberal, and the Progressives.

edited 8th Jun '17 9:57:10 PM by megaeliz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#192545: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:27:50 PM

American liberalism anyway. The word "liberal" can mean a lot of different things.

There's a reason "liberal" seems to be math792d's Berserk Button.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#192546: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:29:36 PM

[up]One of my BerserkButtons (or pet peeves, anyway) is what [up][up] said. It doesn't seem particularly accurate from what I've observed.

edited 8th Jun '17 9:30:19 PM by LSBK

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#192547: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:35:46 PM

My ideal scenario would be a party of social democrats and another party of centrists.

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Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#192548: Jun 8th 2017 at 10:27:09 PM

Deutsche Bank is claiming that US privacy laws prevent any disclosures of Trump's finances to US investigators.

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LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#192549: Jun 8th 2017 at 11:50:36 PM

A Social Democrat party that enables the Dems to drift a bit further to the center and a more sane-conservative center-right GOP offshoot would be perfect I think...though you'd need to enact some kind of electoral reform to stop Presidential races to be less of a colossal fustercluck like they would be under the currrent system-every Presidential race would be decided by Congress!

My other home country of Canada has an FPTP system and three major parties.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#192550: Jun 8th 2017 at 11:53:52 PM

The primaries need to be reined back. A lot. The actual election is too long, but it's within acceptable territory. The primaries are the real problem.


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