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Tempus22 Since: Jan, 2015
#192476: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:39:06 PM

I think anyone who thinks Trump can't possibly get re-elected underestimates how wilfully ignorant people can be. A lot of people will simply stick with him because they don't want to admit they were wrong, because people are petty like that. And not everyone has access to the information we have either, a lot of people's only exposure is the right-wing media that's verbally kissing Trump's feet no matter what he does. I think it really depends on how good the Dems will be on making their voices heard. Sadly nowadays it mostly seems to matter how loud you are, not what you're actually saying.

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#192477: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:39:37 PM

[up][up][up] Now you're just getting paranoid...

[up] People can fucking change in these years, you get that? I don't want to threaten you either but you and Tobias are getting way too overwhelmed with bleak scenarios like these ones, bad things can happen yes, but NOT to that extent as you and him say.

edited 8th Jun '17 2:41:23 PM by Luigisan98

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#192478: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:39:56 PM

My sense is that Trump will end by Death of a Thousand Cuts: His approval is eroding - slowly - even among Republicans.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#192479: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:40:58 PM

Again, focussing on the wording is just a distraction. We have a situation in which the president of the US asked the FBI director to drop a specific investigation and announce that he himself wasn't under investigation. A US president who repeatedly called the FBI director and spoke to him in a private setting. And when said FBI director didn't fulfil any of his demands, he fired him and announced that he did it because of said investigation. This simple act, the firing because someone was looking into a specific matter, is obstruction of justice.

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#192480: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:43:22 PM

The point is, we can't get complacent and we can't get arrogant. There is always a chance we'll lose. We need to evangelize the anti-Trump message ever chance we get, to whomever we meet, every second, every minute, every hour, every day, with every breath, not just in 2020, but in 2017, 2018, and 2019. All Issues Are Political Issues, and we can't leave any stone unturned.

Honestly, combating Trump is like political trench warfare. There aren't going to be any big breakthroughs. Just day after day of arduous work.

edited 8th Jun '17 2:44:58 PM by CrimsonZephyr

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#192481: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:44:16 PM

[up] That is exactly the idea.

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FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#192482: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:44:55 PM

[up][up] People will eventually get tired of it if you do that. I wouldn't want somebody nagging at me in my ears 24/7, would you?

edited 8th Jun '17 2:45:06 PM by FireCrawler2002

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#192483: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:45:18 PM

No need to go as far as reelection time.

Just wait until next year for congress: if Dems win "bigly' there, you can bet your ass there'll be an impeachment. If they don't, I'd honestly leave the country if I lived there.

edited 8th Jun '17 2:45:42 PM by Aszur

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#192484: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:45:32 PM

[up][up]If we don't do that, people will forget. They always forget.

edited 8th Jun '17 2:45:52 PM by CrimsonZephyr

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#192485: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:47:03 PM

As I've said before, Democrats need to master the art of sound-bytes. Obama was amazing at sound-bytes. He didn't just have arguments that were well-reasoned, intelligent, and sensible. He could also make them snappy and fun to listen to.

2016 was a battleground between these two. Hillary "Well-Reasoned" Clinton vs. Donald "Snappy" Trump. Well-Reasoned won the popular vote, but Snappy won the Electoral College. More people liking facts over entertainment just wasn't enough to strike the win when the people who prefer entertainment to facts are more widely dispersed in the country.

It's like choosing between whether you'd rather have the political state of Cambodia explained to you by a documentary or The Simpsons. We all know the documentary's going to have more useful information, but a lot of folks don't have the attention span for that. They want to laugh at Bart farting in Hun Sen's face, and anything they actually learn about Cambodia will be absorbed through that experience, even if it's woefully inaccurate.

That's the state of America today, and the best way we can deal with it is to be funny and entertaining, while also being right. What we need is more Democrats trained at summarizing complex political concepts into clever one-liners that people will be repeating at work tomorrow.

edited 8th Jun '17 2:48:21 PM by TobiasDrake

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Tempus22 Since: Jan, 2015
#192486: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:48:06 PM

@Luigi

Uh... "threaten me"? Excuse me? All I did was say that Trump getting re-elected isn't impossible, that's hardly as overtly pessimistic as you're trying to make it out to be. It's just a possibility we shouldn't ignore.

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#192487: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:48:23 PM

"Why are you assuming he's going to reelected? "

Because I'm being very pessimistic about it. And considering what's happened since mid 2015 (the large anti-Trump protests aside), can you blame me?

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#192488: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:49:09 PM

[up][up][up]Which means we need more political comedians like Al Franken.

edited 8th Jun '17 2:49:33 PM by pwiegle

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Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#192489: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:49:32 PM

Trump wasn't even snappy though he was just childish. I appreciate wit and humor but constantly interrupting her during debates just to meme at people isn't a witty retort, it's just attention mongering. People loved it cuz'it's so radically different to the status quo, not because it's actually clever.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#192490: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:50:22 PM

[up][up][up][up] Sorry about it, but you should know that can D.C. read at any moment for him.

edited 8th Jun '17 2:50:49 PM by Luigisan98

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#192491: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:51:44 PM

We're trying, dude, we really are.

Frankly, it depends on how the economy is doing by then. Currently, we are experiencing a slow recovery, but it isnt evenly distributed. The working class is still suffering, and if they still are in three years, that will sink him.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#192492: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:55:18 PM

[up] Not to mention the Republicans repealed most of Dodd-Frank while we were distracted by this.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#192493: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:56:13 PM

Honestly though nothing would be more amusing than watching Trump screaming and howling all the way through the impeachment process if the Democrats really do win a large amount of votes in 2018

This would be me if that's the case

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#192494: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:57:07 PM

I don't think that it says anything positive about the US voter that they pick "snappy" over "well reasoned". Honestly, election shouldn't be decided on three word phrases (Yes he can, lock her up, drain the swamp)

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#192495: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:58:07 PM

Oh, and btw, apparently a group of democrats are preparing a law suit against Donald Trump because he keeps using his office to funnel money into his own pocket.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#192496: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:59:37 PM

Because I'm being very pessimistic about it. And considering what's happened since mid 2015 (the large anti-Trump protests aside), can you blame me?

Honestly? Yeah, a little bit, I think.

Tempus22 Since: Jan, 2015
#192497: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:59:50 PM

Are Trump's approval numbers considered as low? I mean they're not as low as I would personally like, but they're low enough for me to wonder if that's normal? Surely the president being so unpopular isn't, well... normal?

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#192498: Jun 8th 2017 at 3:03:55 PM

Honestly though nothing would be more amusing than watching Trump screaming and howling all the way through the impeachment process if the Democrats really do win a large amount of votes in 2018

This would be me if that's the case

I strongly agree with that. Even better if he starts live-tweeting his own impeachment.

This, incidentally, would be me. ^.^

Are Trump's approval numbers considered as low? I mean they're not as low as I would personally like, but they're low enough for me to wonder if that's normal? Surely the president being so unpopular isn't, well... normal?

Not this quickly, it's not. This is Trump's honeymoon phase. The period of Presidency before people realize the President isn't going to instantly solve all of America's problems and give them infinite money and free candy.

Historically, this is the highest his approval rating will ever be.

edited 8th Jun '17 3:04:17 PM by TobiasDrake

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#192499: Jun 8th 2017 at 3:04:00 PM

Since they started recording them, Trump has the lowest approval ratings of any president this early. The reason that caveat is in there is because basically every president (except Obama) tends to have a severe drop in approval ratings near the end of their run. I'm pretty sure W. Bush was lower at one point.

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#192500: Jun 8th 2017 at 3:06:16 PM

It doesn't matter. Even if things get even worse for the rust belt, Trump will blame it squarely on the Democrats and they'll believe him. And then we'll wind up with him again in 2020.

edited 8th Jun '17 3:06:29 PM by speedyboris


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