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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#192451: Jun 8th 2017 at 12:38:03 PM

Azur does have a point there, while you have people who are willing to change things up here and there based on candidate, most people who are either Republican or Democrat (or any political party) aren't in that party because they've looked at all the economic or social data and have gone "this is objectively the best way to run the country" they're Republicans or Democrats because that's the side that tells them things that sound good for them and is "their team".

It's worse for Republicans than it is Democrats, and the Democrats are lucky that they have more data backing them up on most things, but even if that weren't the case they'd still be getting a very large share of the vote because most people don't actually inform themselves deeply on these things. Either that or they think they're informed but actually rely heavily on, ahem, fake news.

edited 8th Jun '17 12:39:11 PM by LSBK

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#192453: Jun 8th 2017 at 12:45:39 PM

John McCain released a clarification on what he was rambling about.

tldr, he was asking Comey to speculate on whether what Trump did was prosecutable as Comey did with Clinton (when he said that "no reasonable prosecutor" would charge her).

edited 8th Jun '17 12:46:01 PM by NativeJovian

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#192454: Jun 8th 2017 at 12:48:59 PM

[up] I think at this point Comey was already pretty clear that he considers Trump's action obstruction of justice. Though he would have most likely answered that he expects someone else to decide that, since this isn't his case anymore.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#192455: Jun 8th 2017 at 12:55:31 PM

My first thought re: Mc Cain was that somebody didn't get enough sleep last night. He is not usually that inarticulate.

But if it was really "sports" on the eve of a major public appearance, well, it's a very human mistake but also a very silly one.

(The response of the Diamondback's Twitter account is funny tho.)

edited 8th Jun '17 12:58:48 PM by Elle

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#192456: Jun 8th 2017 at 1:04:09 PM

It's worse for Republicans than it is Democrats

In what way do you mean it is 'worse for republicans'?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#192457: Jun 8th 2017 at 1:05:46 PM

[up]In the "taking in unreliable news/overlooking things when it's your guys doing it" way. Democrats aren't free of either of those, but Republicans are more likely to do both.

edited 8th Jun '17 1:06:22 PM by LSBK

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#192458: Jun 8th 2017 at 1:19:46 PM

So will there be more public hearings?

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#192459: Jun 8th 2017 at 1:25:06 PM

That really just depends on how the investigation unfolds. The ball's in Mueller's court right now. Presumably, he was briefed on all of this during his private meeting with Comey last week as well as the bits that couldn't be discussed publicly such as the Steel Dossier.

Everything Comey refused to testify about in front of the press cameras is likely classified.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#192460: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:11:00 PM

Some lawyer was on Fox News saying that Comey's testimony proved there was no obstruction of justice because of the way Trump worded his statement to Comey about Flynn (paraphrased "I hope you'll stop the investigation.").

Dammit, this is how it's gonna be for the next eight years, isn't it? Trump will tread a very fine line of doing something ALMOST impeachable but squeaking by, over and over and over.

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#192461: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:13:46 PM

No. How it's going to shake out is that Trump is going to cross that line over and over, with the party claiming, "No, really, it wasn't across the line at all," using whatever thin straws they can grasp at to try and prove their narrative to their voters.

Make no mistake: this has nothing to do with whether or not Trump has committed an impeachable offense and everything to do with whether or not the GOP can sell the idea that he hasn't. They are not asking, "Is Trump guilty of a crime?" They are coming at it from the angle of, "Why isn't Trump guilty of a crime?"

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#192462: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:13:52 PM

Why are you assuming he's going to reelected?

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#192463: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:17:43 PM

[up]

Because we'd presumed he wouldn't be elected the first time, and look how that turned out.

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#192464: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:19:58 PM

[up] That only happened because of an ill-timed investigation opening. No way the nation would re-elect that kind of man, at least Bush had some rationality. There's no need to assume the nation is that stupid.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#192465: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:20:43 PM

Acknowledging something as a possibility and considering it an inevitability aren't the same thing. Once he was actually the nominee, I never assumed he couldn't get elected. I stayed calm because I figured it was unlikely, but that still acknowledges the possibility.

Acknowledging it's possible for him to win again, doesn't mean acting as if all the ridiculous conditions that conspired to make his win possible are going to align once more.

edited 8th Jun '17 2:21:52 PM by LSBK

FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#192466: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:21:00 PM

[up][up][up] There is the possibility he could die before 2020, and his approval rating has been sinking lower and lower each day...

edited 8th Jun '17 2:21:29 PM by FireCrawler2002

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#192467: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:25:16 PM

Trump won't face a court of law within the next four years, I'd bet money on that. The point is to convict him in the court of public opinion. Between the GOP agenda stalling, and Trump's approval sinking due to scandals (which drive off the marginal voters), him not being on outright fascist (which drive off the alt-right to not vote) and him not fulfilling his impossible promises (which drives off the Obama voters who went for him), his (barely) winning electoral coalition is imploding.

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#192468: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:25:48 PM

That only happened because of an ill-timed investigation opening. No way the nation would re-elect that kind of man, at least Bush had some rationality. There's no need to assume the nation is that stupid.

There's definitely a good chance he gets re-elected.

It all depends on the Democrat we run and how he's doing by the end of his term.

FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#192469: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:27:02 PM

[up] Assuming he even reaches the end of his term and doesn't keel over from being in his 70's, overweight, having a shitty diet and barely sleeping.

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#192470: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:28:31 PM

[up][up] Good as from this year. In the next three, these chances will drop hugely.

edited 8th Jun '17 2:28:40 PM by Luigisan98

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#192471: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:30:31 PM

Honestly, if he is reelected, the Democrats would probably be finished for good. Losing to him once was ignominious enough.

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FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#192472: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:31:07 PM

[up] The second he leaves office, the GOP is pretty much done for. His supporters only support him, not the rest of the GOP.

edited 8th Jun '17 2:32:02 PM by FireCrawler2002

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#192473: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:31:11 PM

[up][up] Hell fucking no.

edited 8th Jun '17 2:31:18 PM by Luigisan98

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#192474: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:36:04 PM

If Trump loses, gets impeached, or is primaried out, then the GOP might lose his rabid supporters.

If Trump dies in office or makes it to the end of eight years, then they'll probably be Republicans for life. Without Trump going down ignobly, they can court his voters by immortalizing him in the Hall of Public Opinion. Twenty years from now, we could have Republicans running on the platform that they're going to run America the right way, the proper way, just like Trump would have wanted.

Which means doing whatever they wanted to do in the first place but paying lip service to Saint Trump, the Glorious Revolutionary who won big for the GOP and saved America. You know, the same way they treat Reagan today.

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FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#192475: Jun 8th 2017 at 2:37:39 PM

[up] Honestly, you are coming off as incredibly sensationalist and fearmongering here. I really don't like you.

edited 8th Jun '17 2:39:10 PM by FireCrawler2002


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