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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#192426: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:37:59 AM

[up][up][up] Still think that this isn't malicious? He tries to accuse Comey of being partial for Hillary of all people.

edited 8th Jun '17 9:38:12 AM by Swanpride

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#192427: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:39:23 AM

[up][up] Wow, Mc Cain would have to be seriously out of it to confuse Comey with Trump.

edited 8th Jun '17 9:39:42 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#192428: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:45:23 AM

[up]I've seen things like that happen. Old folks have tendency to get stuck on an idea, it happens to my grandma sometimes.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#192429: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:49:50 AM

Then I guess Trump has been elderly since his twenties.

The simple thing is that it's irrelevant what Comey did or didn't do, or whether he was right to do it. This is about Trump, and whether he obstructed justice or not.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#192430: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:52:29 AM

Now that the testimony is over, I feel bad for the people who went to DC bars hoping for free drinks.

[down][down]Yesterday, some DC bars were offering free drinks for every Trump tweet during Comey's hearing.

edited 8th Jun '17 10:42:59 AM by nightwyrm_zero

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#192431: Jun 8th 2017 at 9:53:40 AM

[up] I imagine some turned it into, how many time will they bring up "but her Emails" or something.

[up][up]I was yelling at the TV, Clinton is not the one being investigated. It's about Trump.

And here's Steven Cobert's take on the written testimony last night.

edited 8th Jun '17 10:09:30 AM by megaeliz

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#192432: Jun 8th 2017 at 10:33:04 AM

[up][up] Free drinks? Did I miss something?

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#192433: Jun 8th 2017 at 10:34:14 AM

Trump said the Democrats have "gone so far left Im worried they can't come back" and called them obstructionists [lol]

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#192434: Jun 8th 2017 at 10:38:29 AM

Well, they are being obstructionists, just for actually legitimate reasons. As someone else said, there's there's a legitimate distinction to be made between how Democrats are acting now, and how Republicans where under Obama.

edited 8th Jun '17 10:39:53 AM by LSBK

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#192435: Jun 8th 2017 at 10:39:43 AM

Republicans obstructed Obama because he was bad for their branding. Democrats are obstructing Trump to prevent him from destroying the country. That said, Republicans enjoy majority positions in the House and Senate, so it's not Democrats who are blocking them from accomplishing things (the filibuster notwithstanding).

When Democrats had control of government, they passed a healthcare bill. Let us not forget that.

edited 8th Jun '17 10:40:15 AM by Fighteer

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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#192436: Jun 8th 2017 at 10:49:14 AM

So yeah, nothing came out of that Comey testimony, did it? At least very little we hadn't already heard about.

Plenty of grounds for impeachment for obstruction of justice, but it will not be acted upon.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#192437: Jun 8th 2017 at 11:09:39 AM

Excuses, excuses. If there is something Trump really excels at it is blaming others for his incompetence.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#192438: Jun 8th 2017 at 11:12:50 AM

[up][up]

Worse still, as the Mitchell & Webb Look posted on the last page underscored, Trump's exact phrasing was ambiguous enough that it likely wouldn't hold up in court.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Proglottid Since: Mar, 2010
#192439: Jun 8th 2017 at 11:18:03 AM

And so another day in which Trump goes to bed without any consequences while the GOP sighs and prepares the hand puppets for when he wakes up

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#192440: Jun 8th 2017 at 11:19:20 AM

[up][up][up][up] also much of his testimony he refused to reveal in public.

edited 8th Jun '17 11:23:08 AM by fruitpork

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#192441: Jun 8th 2017 at 11:25:24 AM

via Twitter: "MSNBC reporting White House sources says Trump "may not have known" the US has troops based in Qatar."

Jesus fuck this man is a moron.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#192442: Jun 8th 2017 at 11:29:14 AM

[up][up][up][up] As I said before, no matter how ambiguous the wording is out of context, in context he made sure that he would be alone for this talk (something you don't do if you don't think that you are doing something at least questionable) and this is actually not the point which is the clear obstruction of justice. The obstruction of justice comes in the moment he fires Comey because he doesn't follow his suggestions to state to the public that he is not under investigation and to leave Flynn along. Under normal circumstances you might be able to spin that towards "Trump felt that Comey was incompetent" except that Trump stated in an interview ON TAPE, that he did it because of the Russia thing. You can point to one aspect of the story and say "but that proofs nothing", but that doesn't just make the stuff which DOES proof something (in this case Trumps own admission) go away.

edited 8th Jun '17 11:29:26 AM by Swanpride

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#192443: Jun 8th 2017 at 11:31:16 AM

[up] the charge is there, it's just that no one will actually go forward with it.

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#192444: Jun 8th 2017 at 11:38:04 AM

Trump wants to permanently renew Section 702.. This is despite him rallying against it when Obama was president. Hypocrite much?

edited 8th Jun '17 11:38:32 AM by speedyboris

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#192445: Jun 8th 2017 at 11:51:19 AM

It's okay if you're a Republican. Obama bad. Rinse, repeat.

And yes, what we're seeing is just more and more proof of the same thing that's been true for months. There is more than enough evidence to move on Trump, but no one's going to because the right controls Congress too and they hold party over country. They're protecting him.

Until such a time as Congress is willing to move on Trump or Trump is no longer the President through natural elections, this investigation is purely academic. We don't need more evidence. We have plenty already. It's not even a matter of convincing people or changing minds as Mc Cain aptly demonstrated; he's repeatedly said that the Russian connections he keeps hearing about are "disturbing", but that didn't keep him from going to bat for Trump against Comey.

End of the day, the Right would sooner see America in the hands of Russia than Democrats. They've made this more and more clear with each passing month. Trump is a point of pride now; they can't afford to lose him, because it would mean the Democrats were right and that is far more unconscionable to them than having a malicious idiot in bed with a hostile foreign power as Commander in Chief.

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A nice butterfly
#192446: Jun 8th 2017 at 12:02:45 PM

If the Democrats win congress, hopefully by a landslide, come next year, next election they will be all about the republicans who fought Trump and how they have made amends with the true part of the party whereas Democrats were incapable of pushing the madman Trump out

It's going to be cyclical

And also sad, since it'll probably work

edited 8th Jun '17 12:02:55 PM by Aszur

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#192447: Jun 8th 2017 at 12:06:32 PM

[up] How can you be sure of that?

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#192448: Jun 8th 2017 at 12:15:20 PM

[up][up] Nah, the Republicans are in way to deep for them to be able to shake off Trump that quickly.

But it's way to early to think that the Democrats will definitely take back Congress, let alone in a landslide.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#192449: Jun 8th 2017 at 12:19:19 PM

Why not? An opponent of Trump, or at least one who can plausibly claim he was opposed to Trump all the time, is Mitt Romney, and he could likely be the face of "We're not Trump anymore" and I am plenty sure there's others. Don'think Romney is an electable choice? Just remember he lost 47.2 vs 51.1

And that's just one example I'm pretty sure there's more, better options

That's not a "safe" margin to call him "Unelectable", and even then, the republicans could put a number 2 pencil as their candidate that the same 40% that always vote republican would vote republican because most democrat and republican voters are republicans or democrats on principle, not on logic, analysis, or actual thought.

edited 8th Jun '17 12:25:17 PM by Aszur

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#192450: Jun 8th 2017 at 12:36:38 PM

[up]Electable? Sure, but frankly I don't see any (short to medium term) future candidates picking up the nominations without out fitting the Trump mold.

Or in other words I don't think Trump is going to become toxic enough for the Republicans to want to jettison any association with him, so the scenario of a "redeemed Republican Party" running its new found saintliness to the White House and Congress is not something I see happening.


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