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#191876: Jun 5th 2017 at 8:41:31 AM
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#191877: Jun 5th 2017 at 8:45:37 AM

[up][up]It will be interesting to see how Congress will respond if they vote Yes on requesting statehood.

edited 5th Jun '17 8:45:51 AM by M84

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#191878: Jun 5th 2017 at 8:47:39 AM

[up][up] WHY

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#191879: Jun 5th 2017 at 8:49:27 AM

[up][up][up]We are now approaching self-parody

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#191880: Jun 5th 2017 at 8:50:07 AM

[up][up][up][up] fuck.

edited 5th Jun '17 8:50:21 AM by fruitpork

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#191881: Jun 5th 2017 at 8:51:01 AM

Re PR: Apparently the GOP promised that they admit them if they voted Yes in their 2016 platform but then again this is the GOP

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#191882: Jun 5th 2017 at 8:51:31 AM

How the hell does he still have an approval rating that high? I don't get it.

Because most of that block is the people who will not abandon him no matter what, and who refuse to even listen to the news media. The rest of it is mostly made up of the people who've known he was an unconscionable moron, bigot, and monster since this whole thing began.

Since the election, he's been swinging back and forth about 2%. Every time he does something positive, his polls shoot up to all time highs of 40-41%. Every time he makes an ass of himself, they drop to record lows of 38-39%. Whichever happens, everyone then proceeds to act like this is somehow a groundbreaking development that proves that America is finally falling in or out of love with President Trump.

The polls have been really stupid and repetitive for months now despite each new one claiming to be earth-shattering.

edited 5th Jun '17 8:52:02 AM by TobiasDrake

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#191883: Jun 5th 2017 at 8:56:21 AM

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201706041054306321-usa-un-hrcmembership-depends/

"The ambassador noted that the council had never called on certain countries with human rights violations, including Cuba and Venezuela, just because they were its members.

"We've got countries on the Human Rights Council right now like Venezuela and Cuba. And what these actors do is they get on the council so that the finger's never pointed to them," Haley said."

This could be a big reason why. The Human Rights Council barely does it job, and actually has people who absolutely have no business being there.

Let's not forget Saudi Arabia leads the Human Rights Council as well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/09/28/why-one-of-the-worlds-worst-human-rights-offenders-is-leading-a-un-human-rights-panel/?utm_term=.5ef80515200f

edited 5th Jun '17 8:58:18 AM by firewriter

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#191884: Jun 5th 2017 at 8:56:45 AM

We are considering leaving the human rights council because honestly a lot of americans LOVE the idea that they can bomb the entire Middle East into glass, can beat up gay people on the streets, and don't have to abide by pesky human rights when dealing with domestic problems.

I wonder what we have to do to become like Canada, where they treat people with our GOP's opinions with all the respect they deserve, (zero).

[up]So? That is a reason to try to reason with UN to improve it, not leave it right away.

edited 5th Jun '17 8:58:06 AM by Wildcard

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#191885: Jun 5th 2017 at 8:57:54 AM

[up][up]Got a source that's not the Russian government?

Oh really when?
firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#191886: Jun 5th 2017 at 8:59:37 AM

[up][up]

I really believe that is a simplistic and strawman reason. The big reason is that people find it contradictory that many members of the council have abysmal human rights.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-administration-united-nations-human-rights-council-235399

edited 5th Jun '17 9:01:20 AM by firewriter

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#191887: Jun 5th 2017 at 9:00:32 AM

Because most of that block is the people who will not abandon him no matter what, and who refuse to even listen to the news media. The rest of it is mostly made up of the people who've known he was an unconscionable moron, bigot, and monster since this whole thing began.

I don't think that's really true unless you really believe that close to 100 million American adults have fallen into his cult of personality.

edited 5th Jun '17 9:01:44 AM by MadSkillz

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#191888: Jun 5th 2017 at 9:01:09 AM

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#191889: Jun 5th 2017 at 9:02:56 AM

The issue with leaving the Human Rights Council is the way it looks.

"We want to leave the Human Rights Council, but we totally don't want to throw out all human rights legislation, I mean, what kind of person would do that?"

Regardless of the actual reasoning, it looks highly suspicious. Maybe Trump got the idea from Theresa May, who's mentioned wanting to withdraw from the European Court of Human Rights before.

[up] Trump's been in court way too many times. He should really have an idea of how slow they are by now.

edited 5th Jun '17 9:03:47 AM by Zendervai

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#191890: Jun 5th 2017 at 9:03:37 AM

[up]x5 Bias of sources aside, they are on the council, so I'm not entirely sure how much that matters in this particular debate. That said...

[up]x4 Who is "people" here? The American public? I'd wager that precious few know who's even on the council.

edited 5th Jun '17 9:04:21 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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#191891: Jun 5th 2017 at 9:03:38 AM

[up]X9 Trump's all time highs weren't 41%, his all time high was around 47-48% back in January. Every little blip shouldn't be treated as some groundbreaking new thing, but let's not pretend that there hasn't been movement. The man won several states by around 1% and has had his approval rating drop by 8-9% during his time in office.

edited 5th Jun '17 9:03:57 AM by Silasw

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#191892: Jun 5th 2017 at 9:05:31 AM

We are considering leaving the human rights council because honestly a lot of americans LOVE the idea that they can bomb the entire Middle East into glass, can beat up gay people on the streets, and don't have to abide by pesky human rights when dealing with domestic problems.

A few months back they told they wanted the UN Council to reform or we would leave all together. I think a lot of Americans hate that the UN often times doesn't practice what they preach.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/un-treaties/323926-tillerson-to-un-rights-council-reform-or-we-leave

The fact that mentioned countries have been on the Human Rights Council, and haven't really done anything to adhere to the standards set out does call into question it's legitimacy.

[up][up]

Also seeing that list of people who are on the Human Rights Council the leader of the Congo said they will not have an election this year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/16/congo-government-elections-are-too-expensive-so-we-may-not-have-one-this-year/?utm_term=.49fc162f6e55

edited 5th Jun '17 9:11:34 AM by firewriter

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#191893: Jun 5th 2017 at 9:11:27 AM

Nothing that Donald "Let's go after their families" Trump has ever said shows that he's concerned the Human Rights council isn't doing enough.

Oh really when?
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#191894: Jun 5th 2017 at 9:12:53 AM

Anyone who thinks Trump wants out of the council because it's not doing more for human rights is kidding themselves.

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#191895: Jun 5th 2017 at 9:14:00 AM

[up][up][up] firewriter, you say you think that "lots of Americans" have these objections. What reason do you have to believe this? I don't recall the issue ever really being prominent in Trump's campaign (unless I'm forgetting something, which I very well might be), so I'm not sure if it could be said that people voted for him because of it.

edited 5th Jun '17 9:14:08 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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#191896: Jun 5th 2017 at 9:15:02 AM

Nikki Haley seems to be driving this, more than Trump himself.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#191897: Jun 5th 2017 at 9:15:09 AM

@firewater: I'd believe that if Trump and his administration gave a damn about human rights, or even the rights of say his countrymen. Sure he pays lip service to gay people, but then signs legislation meant to curtail their rights, (albeit ineffectively) and demands a Muslim travel ban while making friends with a big human rights violator for oil.

If conservative politicians are so worried about hypocrisy they should look in the mirror.

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#191898: Jun 5th 2017 at 9:18:20 AM

I don't think that's really true unless you really believe that close to 100 million American adults have fallen into his cult of personality.

I'd like to believe that every American adult is a well-informed, reasonable, conscientious person who is intellectually and emotionally mature enough to see through the bluster of a loud-mouthed toxic bully, but if that were true, Donald Trump wouldn't be President.

We're well past the point where, "There can't be that many assholes," can be considered a reasonable perspective. There are that many assholes. There've been that many assholes for a long time. We just don't want to see it because we really like the idea that there's only, like, five people who are really racist or that only a couple of folks are actually sexist.

"That can't be true because that many people can't hold toxic views," has been shouted at progressives for years. And then Donald Trump took the Presidency. We cannot confront the issue poisoning the heart of America if we aren't even willing to acknowledge it exists.

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#191899: Jun 5th 2017 at 9:18:22 AM

I think people may be getting confused, membership of UN councils (there are a lot of them) has nothing to do with adherence to the thing that the council promotes, it's purely based on geographical rotation and regional influence.

As for the UN not practising what it preaches, what are you talking about? The UN doesn't carry out human rights violations, sure it doesn't stop them, but stopping human rights violations isn't part of the UN's job and never has been.

The UN's job has always been to act as an international forum for discussion and to try and prevent WW3 via security council vetoes ensuring direct open conflict between global powers is prevented.

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#191900: Jun 5th 2017 at 9:19:44 AM

[up]I think part of the problem is that a lot of people don't seem to know what the UN even does.

[up][up] 100 million or so people of voting age being just that ignorant, partisan, and/or hateful...yeah, I can see that being true. I really hope it's not, but it's not that difficult to believe.

edited 5th Jun '17 9:22:32 AM by M84

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