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FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#191426: Jun 1st 2017 at 7:42:33 PM

[up][up] He's antagonizing more and more of the country every day, so it's steadily dropping. His approval rating is below 40% now.

edited 1st Jun '17 7:43:14 PM by FireCrawler2002

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#191427: Jun 1st 2017 at 7:43:11 PM

No, that type of evangelism and doomsaying is actually rare among Republican leadership. This was a move motivated largely out of spite of the lefts attempts to preserve the environment.

Oh really when?
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#191428: Jun 1st 2017 at 7:44:59 PM

I'm sure Ted Cruz buys into that. The rest, follow the money.

edited 1st Jun '17 7:45:06 PM by speedyboris

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#191429: Jun 1st 2017 at 7:45:08 PM

[up][up][up] it's been hovering around 30-ish percent for a while now, and what actually counts is what republicans think of him. Wasn't he still at like 80% with them?

edited 1st Jun '17 7:45:23 PM by fruitpork

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#191430: Jun 1st 2017 at 7:46:42 PM

I mean, Trump is constantly doing things that make all but his hardest supporters shudder. Honestly, this time the issue was more about who he was up against more than people actually wanting him. Most of that wasn't Hilary's fault, but it was what it was.

Unless his next opponent has as much baggage as her, I'd say you should be cautiously optimistic about Trump being soundly beaten. Cautiously, because again, anything can happen.

[up]That's nowhere near what only counts. Even then his approval among Republican has been falling too.

edited 1st Jun '17 7:47:34 PM by LSBK

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#191431: Jun 1st 2017 at 7:49:44 PM

Greed is also to blame. Guess these people forgot and/or don't care that you can't take it with you...

Do not obey in advance.
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#191432: Jun 1st 2017 at 7:50:31 PM

It's hard to know what chance he has of winning re-election, because what matters to answering that question is 'how popular will he be 3 years from now?'

If the past few months are a good blueprint for the next few years, he'll lose, unless the game has been rigged too heavily in his favour. But it's easy to imagine that's not how it'll go. Worst case scenario is another 9/11 happens and the country rallies to him.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#191433: Jun 1st 2017 at 7:56:55 PM

what actually counts is what republicans think of him.

What on earth are you talking about? Republicans are the least important block when it comes to Trump, there aren't enough Republicans (or Democrats) to decide an election one way, you have to win over independents (be they true independents or ones that lean a particular way) and Trump is doing terribly amongst them, hell the strength of his support amongst Republicans is dropping.

The thing is we have no idea if any of this will hold three years from now. So it's impossible to tell if he will get reelected (or even reelected).

We can't even predict this years elections with much certainty, I don't know what by people think we can predict 2020.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#191434: Jun 1st 2017 at 8:06:59 PM

I do think that a relatively underexplored demographic is the college educated, socially liberal Republicans, who are disgusted of the current GOP. They are a demographic, that might help push house districts blue or purple, if you push the right issues, and reach out to them.

also does anyone want a list of all the cities that have pledged to uphold the terms of the Paris Agreement so far?

edited 1st Jun '17 8:10:50 PM by megaeliz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#191435: Jun 1st 2017 at 8:08:46 PM

[up] Courting them in more local and district level elections for House seats is a good idea. But when running for POTUS...well, it's gonna be tough finding a way to win them and the more "progressive" demographic over.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#191436: Jun 1st 2017 at 8:08:58 PM

This was a move motivated largely out of spite of the lefts attempts to preserve the environment.
Yes, though Trump's own words on the withdrawal point to how several other factors were wrapped up into it, one of the most concerning being the complete rejection of the international community.

I mean Jesus Christ just look at this shit.

In his worldview (and the base that voted for him), the Paris Agreement was not an global effort to combat a global problem, but a conspiracy meant to undermine US supremacy, with the rest of the world snickering behind our backs as we were willingly duped into signing away our greatness for a hoax like climate change.

And now, with the world saying straight to his face that he's being a fucking idiot, he sits smug and confidant feeling that their condemnation is proof enough that he is doing the right thing.

It ties right back into what we saw during the trip: He doesn't want allies and cooperation. He wants clients and payment.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#191437: Jun 1st 2017 at 8:10:48 PM

[up][up][up]You mean the Romney-Clinton voters someone linked an article about?

Edit: Also, I'd be interested in that list.

edited 1st Jun '17 8:14:00 PM by LSBK

FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#191438: Jun 1st 2017 at 8:12:43 PM

[up][up] Well, he pretty much just undermined US supremacy on his own and is turning more and more people towards China, France and Germany...

edited 1st Jun '17 8:15:06 PM by FireCrawler2002

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#191439: Jun 1st 2017 at 8:13:53 PM

[up][up] yeah, it's not talked about as much, but if you think about it, the further the GOP moves to the right, the more moderate voters they stand to loose.

[up][up] post if here or PM?

edited 1st Jun '17 8:15:05 PM by megaeliz

Raddishes Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#191440: Jun 1st 2017 at 8:19:22 PM

Question: How is this guy not impeached? He never did a single thing right (that I know of) and all his bills did way worse in action. That should ring bells, but I'm surprised he stayed this long.

And I thought his fabled past deeds (plus him sending death threats(?) to that woman who tried to make him go to court on him raping her but she cancelled the case because of the threats) and the Russian hacking is a huge tell that he shouldn't be President?

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#191441: Jun 1st 2017 at 8:19:59 PM

Only Congress can impeach a president and right now the Republicans have the majority in both houses.

Oh really when?
firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#191442: Jun 1st 2017 at 8:22:24 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/richard-epstein-trump-abandon-paris-133217285.html

I know an article like this is going to be in the minority, but it really points how the Paris Accord has been so overhyped that people have forgotten a lot of crucial flaws.

Also the comment on it being about money really contradicts aspects like the fact that majority companies are in favor of the agreement. In some ways, if they were really being greedy they would follow what the companies are saying to do.

"China’s five-year plan still calls for a nearly 20 percent expansion of its coal production capacity by 2020. India and Japan are following suit. Germany, pace Merkel, produces huge quantities of coal annually, virtually all of it lignite, or brown coal, the dirtiest variety.

Coal from these sources not only produce all the traditional forms of pollution, but also causes ailments ranging from asthma to radiation diseases (from mining rare earths)—making the issue of carbon dioxide emissions an afterthought. Improving the efficiency of coal production will thus yield far greater returns than fine-tuning the production of wind and solar energy"

edited 1st Jun '17 8:22:59 PM by firewriter

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#191443: Jun 1st 2017 at 8:23:35 PM

Yep. That ball would've started rolling weeks if not months ago if it hadn't been for the magic of partisanship.

Raddishes Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#191444: Jun 1st 2017 at 8:28:09 PM

@Le Garcon: Man, then the Republicans really need to open their eyes to what Trump is doing.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#191445: Jun 1st 2017 at 8:29:25 PM

Question: How is this guy not impeached? He never did a single thing right (that I know of) and all his bills did way worse in action. That should ring bells, but I'm surprised he stayed this long.

And I thought his fabled past deeds (plus him sending death threats(?) to that woman who tried to make him go to court on him raping her but she cancelled the case because of the threats) and the Russian hacking is a huge tell that he shouldn't be President?

Apparently, far too many people have questionable self-preservation instincts.

It's possible that even some of the people who wanted things that he promised had their instincts' gag reflex triggered by him, but they suppressed them and voted for him anyway.

Do not obey in advance.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#191446: Jun 1st 2017 at 8:30:18 PM

[up][up] They know, they just don't care.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#191447: Jun 1st 2017 at 8:31:21 PM

All evidence points to them knowing. They're either complicit or they don't care.

Oh really when?
firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#191448: Jun 1st 2017 at 8:31:38 PM

Also Putin is staying in the Paris Accord. This actually would refute the narrative that Russia is controlling the USA, because if it was then it would be following Trump's lead in leaving. I think the media has this conspiracy of Russians controlling everything to get out of hand and ironically distort what's really going on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/briefing/paris-agreement-vladimir-putin-lebron-james.html

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#191449: Jun 1st 2017 at 8:33:29 PM

Nobody claims the Russians are the ultimate puppet masters here. Their goal is to destabilize anyway, not control.

Oh really when?
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#191450: Jun 1st 2017 at 8:35:17 PM

All the cities that plan to honor the terms of the Paris Agreement in alphabetical order.

Atlanta, GA,

Albany, NY,

Ann Arbor, MI,

Arcata, CA,

Asheville, NC,

Aspen, CO,

Austin, TX,

Berkeley, CA,

Bloomington, IN,

Boston, MA,

Boulder, CO,

Burlington, VT,

Charlotte, NC,

Chicago, IL,

Chula Vista, CA,

Columbia, SC,


Culver City, CA,

Denver, CO,

Dubuque, IA,

Durham, NC,

Elgin, IL,

Eugene, OR,

Fayetteville, AR,

Gary, IN,

Houston, TX,


Kansas City, MO,

Knoxville, TN,

Lakewood, CO,

Little Rock, AR,

Long Beach, CA,

Longmont, CO,

Los Angeles, CA,

Miami Beach, FL,

Milwaukee, WI,

Milwaukie, OR,

Minneapolis, MN,

New Bedford, MA,

New Orleans, LA,

New York City, NY,

Oakland, CA,

Orlando, FL,

Palo Alto, CA,


Park City, UT,

Philadelphia, PA,

Phoenix, AZ,

Pittsburgh, PA,

Portland, OR,

Providence, RI,

Reno, NV,

Sacramento, CA,

Saint Paul, MN,


Salt Lake City, UT,


San Francisco, CA,


San Jose, CA,


Santa Barbara, CA,


Santa Fe, NM,


Santa Monica, CA,

Seattle, WA,

Somerville, MA,

Smithville, TX,

St Petersburg, FL,

Syracuse, NY,

Tallahassee, FL,

Tucson, AZ,

Washington, D.C.

West Palm Beach, FL,

West Sacramento, CA,

Winston Salem, NC

edited 1st Jun '17 8:45:39 PM by megaeliz


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