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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#191326: Jun 1st 2017 at 1:23:58 PM

[up] But still, a solution can be found after all the mess.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#191327: Jun 1st 2017 at 1:24:12 PM

Me neither, I still believe in our capability to set things right, but I feel very miserable right now.

I feel like we need to make it clear that renewable energy is the future of the money and the jobs, and the economic effects of not doing so. Capitalism is responsible for getting us into this mess, and I believe that, with the right pressure, it will be able to take us out.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#191328: Jun 1st 2017 at 1:24:57 PM

[up][up] I suggest building a giant freezer in the arctic.

edited 1st Jun '17 1:25:18 PM by FireCrawler2002

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#191329: Jun 1st 2017 at 1:24:59 PM

[up][up][up]Depends on your definition of solution, damage has been done and we may have passed the point of no return. No this doesn't mean an extinction event but I doubt the people in the future will appreciate that distinction.

edited 1st Jun '17 1:25:09 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#191330: Jun 1st 2017 at 1:26:26 PM

Jackson, Buchanan and Johnson are hard to beat. Especially that last one, for botching Reconstruction.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#191331: Jun 1st 2017 at 1:27:20 PM

[up][up] Still, that doesn't mean that an alternative to preserve the environment won't be done.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#191332: Jun 1st 2017 at 1:31:10 PM

[up][up] Trump is quickly rocketing up to at least the Top 5, though, if he isn't there already.

edited 1st Jun '17 1:31:21 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#191333: Jun 1st 2017 at 1:31:18 PM

[up][up]That's kind of exactly what it means, actually. The Paris Accord is the alternative. Bush killed the last serious attempt at doing something about climate change, and now Trump's trying to kill the last ditch effort at getting everyone on board before it's too late.

The fact that we we're one Man-child away from making it work is quite frankly inspiring. But we are, unfortunately, one man-child away from making it work.

edited 1st Jun '17 1:34:40 PM by Gilphon

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#191334: Jun 1st 2017 at 1:34:21 PM

One man-child and a few ten thousand idiots (or suppressed voters) in the American Midwest...

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#191336: Jun 1st 2017 at 1:38:25 PM

[up][up]

Not just the Midwest - here in NY State, I just had an hour+ long discussion with a customer (conservative Christian) who's virulently against any semblance of a "One World Government", and will likely greet this news with gratitude that Trump isn't buying into the "lie" that would be enabling it.

[down]

That's the thing - he's a very pleasant guy, he just happens to believe strongly in what he believes, up to and including a handful of 9/11 theories (yes, he's also a Truther). No evidence I've brought him on a few subjects have been enough to convince him, just as he likely won't convince me to go back to church. I still enjoy debating him, because it lets me understand his thought process better, like today I learned his main distinction between someone being "pagan" and "god-fearing" (paraphrased) in primitive society is based on whether they worship(ped) creation, or the creator, and that that would be used to determine entrance into Heaven in lieu of exposure to Judaism or Christianity, which is genuinely good to know for future conversations with people holding similar beliefs.

edited 1st Jun '17 1:47:35 PM by ironballs16

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#191337: Jun 1st 2017 at 1:38:59 PM

[up][up]And if you listen carefully you can hear Trump not giving a fuck, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even know/forgot about the council

[up] Or in other words moronic wankers.

edited 1st Jun '17 1:39:32 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#191338: Jun 1st 2017 at 1:39:32 PM

Jackson, Buchanan and Johnson are hard to beat. Especially that last one, for botching Reconstruction.
Perhaps, but withdrawing from the Paris Agreement clearly indicates that Trump is fostering a new crisis of his own: the end of the US' role as a world leader.

And by essentially functioning as Dubya on steroids, his evaluation by history is not going to be kind.

Of course, most of his actions have not actually done anything yet (withdrawing from Paris will take until 2020 for example), but should they get enacted - especially undermining health care - the ramifications will be severe.

It took until Dubya's second term, with the wombo-combo of major foreign failure (Iraq) and domestic failure (Katrina), combined with numerous other failings, and walking out the door during the Recession, to drive home how bad he was.

edited 1st Jun '17 1:40:15 PM by Eschaton

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#191339: Jun 1st 2017 at 1:39:32 PM

And you know what's ironic? Trump said he did this for the citizens of Pittsburgh...and yet Pittsburgh is now planning to stand on alternative energy against Trump.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#191340: Jun 1st 2017 at 1:42:24 PM

[up][up] Germany and France are much better world leaders than the US now.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#191341: Jun 1st 2017 at 1:43:38 PM

I feel like when evaluating America's president from best to worst it'd make sense to split them into two groups: The ones before and after America became a world power. With that in mind, while the likes Buchanan, Pierce or Johnson may have been really bad presidents, I'm not at all prepared to say they're "worse" than Trump given the much more limited scale of the damage their actions caused.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#191342: Jun 1st 2017 at 1:44:18 PM

So I saw this which if it's true is very interesting. It would be quite nice if a Democratic challenger could defeat Trump and undo our leaving of the Paris agreement.

edited 1st Jun '17 1:45:07 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#191343: Jun 1st 2017 at 1:47:01 PM

@Luigisan: I love the irony of that.

Do not obey in advance.
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#191344: Jun 1st 2017 at 1:47:39 PM

Looking around the articles that are online, I notice that Trump keeps banging on about China. Apparently, the reason why it's such a bad deal for America is because China doesn't have to cut any 'carbon emissions' for 13 years.

For carbon intensity (carbon dioxide emissions per unit of GDP), the US agreed to a cut of 27% by 2025. China, on the other hand, agreed to an initial 40-45% cut by 2020 and 60-65% by 2030. These goals are based on their 2005 levels.

So, no, the US doesn't have a 'worse' agreement than China here.

They aren't even legally binding targets anyway. If Trump and the Republicans had wanted to ignore Paris existed, they could have.

We all know this anyway, I just felt like pointing out the numbers, given that Trump seems a little obsessed with China on this subject.

Edit: Stupid typo completely changed the meaning of my post. Corrected now.

edited 1st Jun '17 2:25:23 PM by Wyldchyld

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#191345: Jun 1st 2017 at 2:02:30 PM

[up][up][up]I can't see what you're linking. What does it say?

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#191347: Jun 1st 2017 at 2:06:28 PM

[up][up]Sorry about that. It's a tweet from someone named Brian Deese that says:

Paris entered the force 11/4/16. Earliest Trump can compete exist = 11/4/20, I.E THE DAY AFTER THE '20 ELECTION. Paris be on the ballet

Assuming that it's accurate (which may be a big assumption) if the Dems win it could undo Trump's actions in respect to leaving Paris.

edited 1st Jun '17 2:07:11 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Tangent128 from Virginia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#191348: Jun 1st 2017 at 2:09:40 PM

[up][up] Screencapped for posterity

edited 1st Jun '17 2:09:59 PM by Tangent128

Do you highlight everything looking for secret messages?
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#191349: Jun 1st 2017 at 2:11:19 PM

A Dem win in 2020 wouldn't block it, Trump will remain in office until the new president is inaugurated. The exit would be completed by the time a 2020 winner took over.

Now the US could rejoin, hell a Dem win in 2018 could allow the Dems to at least try and legislate the Paris Agrement into force, they'd probably be stopped by a veto but maybe they could override with enough public outcry.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#191350: Jun 1st 2017 at 2:12:37 PM

[up] What if he dies or is impeached before then?


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