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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#191226: May 31st 2017 at 10:20:53 PM

[up][up]Which would mean we'd officially be gambling the fate of the world on the outcome of the 2020 election. Not an idea I'm anywhere close to comfortable with.

And even that's assuming that China doesn't decide they aren't staying if the US can't guarantee they're staying. Or some such thing.

edited 31st May '17 10:21:23 PM by Gilphon

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#191227: May 31st 2017 at 10:24:18 PM

[up][up]Because liberals bad, and liberals want to protect the environment, thus protecting the environment is bad? Seriously, it's the same thing of when you hear about people deliberately choosing to buy the more energy wasting light-bulbs or companies mandating that their offices or whatever don't use them.

edited 31st May '17 10:24:54 PM by LSBK

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#191228: May 31st 2017 at 10:27:21 PM

Pretty much. Even discounting nuclear weapons, it is actually possible for Trump to destroy the world. In withdrawing us from the Paris Accords, he may have done so already. Only time will tell.

And the attitude that "No matter what we do, it'll all work out, just be positive, it's guaranteed to work out, you'll see!" is exactly why the right is so comfortable doing things like this. Because if it's guaranteed to work out then it doesn't really matter what we do, now does it?

It's not pessimism or nihilism that drives them. It's fatalistic optimism. The cognitive dissonance that renders them incapable of associating actions with consequences. Positive results are by no means a guarantee; they are the product of hard work and effort we need to be putting in every day if we intend for our country and our world to survive.

We don't need happy thoughts. Happy thoughts are a paralytic. People don't fight for things they think they're going to get anyways. What we need is people doing the work.

edited 31st May '17 10:28:24 PM by TobiasDrake

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#191229: May 31st 2017 at 10:37:45 PM

[up] that is why I like Theodore Roosevelt so much. He recognized that we can't keep doing what we're doing, if we want to ensure our future. All of his speeches about conservation challenge us to do better, to take a critical look at how we steward our land and our earth. It's the pragmatic action oriented framework that I think will be important going forward.

http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/images/trenvpics/conservationconferencespeech1908.txt

http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/images/trenvpics/trgrandcanyonspeech.pdf

[down] really, read some of T Rs speeches on conservation.

edited 31st May '17 10:45:26 PM by megaeliz

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#191230: May 31st 2017 at 10:41:39 PM

[up][up] But as some say, optimism can come true if you work hard enough to fight for said change to happen. Also, just one man like Trump causing the end of the world, we've survived worse shit and no way in hell we will go extinct just because of a man-child in charge.

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#191231: May 31st 2017 at 10:49:30 PM

Actually, no, we haven't survived worse shit. Climate change is the worst shit that's happened since we evolved. The threat of nuclear war is the only thing that's really comparable- and that absolutely could've ended us if there was a man-child in the white house during the height of the Cold War.

Optimism doesn't become reality when optimism ignores the fact that a single man-child in a position of power does, in fact, have the power to permanently fuck over humanity.

edited 31st May '17 10:50:35 PM by Gilphon

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Oh, bother.
#191232: May 31st 2017 at 10:50:30 PM

It's even worse since there are currently multiple assholes running nations these days.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#191233: May 31st 2017 at 10:53:49 PM

Sorry to correct you, but deglaciation and the end of the Holocene Altithermal were considerably worse climate events.

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#191234: May 31st 2017 at 10:57:25 PM

At the risk of drifting off-topic, elaborate, because my ignorance is apparently showing.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#191235: May 31st 2017 at 11:13:22 PM

Getting off Climate for a moment the Associated Press finally figured out what Covfefe means, and a pronounciation guide

Covfefe: (cuv-fey-fey) noun: A sure sign that President Donald Trump has regained control of his Twitter account.

https://apnews.com/amp/7565ccbbb44c490b9c11342b5351b872

FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#191236: May 31st 2017 at 11:14:29 PM

What's wrong with turning a blind eye to fear and suffering when there is nothing you can do to stop it personally? I'm sick of being depressed and having to fear every day. America shouldn't be the deciding factor on whether the world stops/survives Climate Change or not.

edited 31st May '17 11:25:35 PM by FireCrawler2002

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#191237: May 31st 2017 at 11:16:13 PM

[up]You really should think these things through before posting them.

But, the general sentiment of "no, we can't count on everything working out okay, which is why we have to try hard all the time" is important, and duly noted.

edited 31st May '17 11:16:54 PM by LSBK

FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#191238: May 31st 2017 at 11:20:28 PM

[up] It's the truth, though. Why should America be the one to dictate the rest of the world's fate?

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#191239: May 31st 2017 at 11:20:52 PM

[up][up][up] I feel the same, some people here sound like they're expecting the worse while we should be actually looking for hope. Not saying blind optimism, but the fact that people will work hard to prevent the destruction of all of us in a few years, and there's no need to expect the worse just for the presence of a manchild.

edited 31st May '17 11:21:04 PM by Luigisan98

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#191240: May 31st 2017 at 11:21:58 PM

[up][up]No, it really isn't. I don't think anyone who posts here doesn't think there are a number of valid criticisms that could be levied at the United States but "Climate change wouldn't exist without the United States" isn't one of them. That you make knee-jerk statements like that so frequently only reflects poorly on you.

edited 31st May '17 11:22:37 PM by LSBK

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#191241: May 31st 2017 at 11:29:36 PM

"While understandable, it sounds like the opening shot in a diplomatic salvo that is somehow not major news..."

It is...well, the actual opening was Merkel declaring in public that the US is no longer reliable anymore. This is just the beginning. I don't think that the US media has any understanding how much the US has p.... off Germany even before the whole Trump matter. I mean, I grew up in a political climate in which it was never a question that the US is the best partner we have and that where the US goes, we follow. And then Iraq happened. And then the NSA affair happened (which, btw, involved not only the usual spying on what out politician discuss, but also listening to Merkel's private phone calls and, the actually kicker, industrial espionage). And then the whole story with the German gold (long story short, Germany had decided to move some of its gold reserves from the US back to Frankfurt and somehow it was incredible problematic to even get to see our own property....the whole thing was more complicated than it should have been and kind of strange).

I don't think that the US ever appreciate what a good job Obama did keeping Germany at the US side despite all of this. And now Trump did what more or less equals the president of France turning up at Arlington during memorial day in order to tell the US population that the US waited too long to act during WWII and therefore owes the France a bunch of money.

All in all Germany has allowed the US to get away with a lot. Partly because it was just used to it due to being under the control of the allies for so long. But US politicians tend to act as if this is still the case, conveniently forgetting that the occupation ended more than 25 years ago. They also have this narrative in mind that Germany should be forever thankful for the protection the US provided after the war, conveniently forgetting that Germany already did its part to pay it back at least ten times over.

I have the feeling that the matter of nukes will become a topic again soon - to clarify, since 2010 Germany wants the nukes the US has placed on its territory gone. So far it was a low-key issue, but it might be a big topic, soon, depending on which parties are part of the next coalition.

edited 31st May '17 11:30:21 PM by Swanpride

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#191243: May 31st 2017 at 11:34:24 PM

[up] I love Healthcare covfefe.

Edit: Awkward page topper is awkward. Or covfefe.

Edit 2:

Covfefe. (n.)

1. when you try to type coverage but your hands are to small to hit the letters on the keyboard

2. when you make a mess out of coverage. See also: Healthcare Cofveve

edited 31st May '17 11:39:56 PM by Swanpride

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#191244: May 31st 2017 at 11:40:03 PM

As an example, if Trumpcare gets passed, everyone will have Healthcare Covfefe, which is the same as Healthcare Coverage, but with a lot more people dying.

This was rather darkly amusing.

edited 31st May '17 11:42:46 PM by M84

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FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#191245: May 31st 2017 at 11:40:17 PM

You know, I'm really starting to hate negative nancy Americans like Tobias and Gilphon now too, not just right-wingers.. "We don't need happy thoughts. Happy thoughts are a paralytic." Bullshit. We don't need depressing and fearful thoughts all the time. I'd rather be happy and ignorant than always depressed and constantly afraid of something I can't change personally.

edited 31st May '17 11:46:47 PM by FireCrawler2002

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#191246: May 31st 2017 at 11:45:44 PM

Well shit's pretty fucked. Pretending everything is gonna turn out ok in the end because it magically is won't help any.

It'll turn out well in the end because we all busted our ass to make sure it did, not because optimism saw us through. It's do or possibly literally die time, there's nothing wrong with recognizing that.

Oh really when?
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#191247: May 31st 2017 at 11:47:20 PM

[up][up]Except too many people being complacent is part of how we are all in this mess in the first place.

Disgusted, but not surprised
FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#191248: May 31st 2017 at 11:48:55 PM

[up] And those two won't be able to make a difference either. We need a lot more people than them to actually do something, and people who will actually go out and do it rather than just post about their sorrows here.

edited 31st May '17 11:51:28 PM by FireCrawler2002

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#191249: May 31st 2017 at 11:49:06 PM

[up][up] STILL! That doesn't mean we should believe the end is nigh!

edited 31st May '17 11:49:20 PM by Luigisan98

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#191250: May 31st 2017 at 11:52:04 PM

[up][up] ..Says the person who repeatedly posts stuff that sounds way too much like inciting violence: "America should vanish" and "someone should toss a live grenade into a pro-Confederate protest!"

[up] There's nothing wrong with acknowledging the reality of the situation.

edited 31st May '17 11:54:44 PM by M84

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