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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#191176: May 31st 2017 at 1:36:30 PM

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Part of it is the (apparently uniquely American) belief in the Rapture, where all good servants will be immediately transported to Heaven at the start of the End of Days. So obviously we don't need to worry about generations in the future because God will have wiped out humanity anyway!

But yeah, I've always been partial to the "I sent your neighbors, I sent the canoe, I sent the boat, I sent the helicopter - what more did you want?!"

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
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#191177: May 31st 2017 at 1:37:36 PM

I've discussed that very subject with leaders of several fundamentalist and/or pentecostal churches on occasion when the subject of stewardship has arisen. Many interpret it not as something akin to caretakers, but that the Earth and all therein is our dominion given by God to do with as we please. This often leads into the idea that many have that the age of humanity is in it's twilight and the end/return is just over the horizon, so any attempt to conserve or save for future generations is futile.

edited 31st May '17 1:38:45 PM by carbon-mantis

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#191178: May 31st 2017 at 1:40:00 PM

[up] Maybe coal and oil are the Forbidden fruit! Tempting, but will end up screwing you over in the end.

edited 31st May '17 1:40:43 PM by megaeliz

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#191179: May 31st 2017 at 1:41:18 PM

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And it probably doesn't help that Pope Francis has come out with the "We were put here as stewards" interpretation, given that most conservative Christians in the US have a very dim view of Catholocism.

edited 31st May '17 1:55:38 PM by ironballs16

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#191180: May 31st 2017 at 1:46:25 PM

I want Theodore Roosevelt back! He literally believed that consevation was a patriotic duty.

"Conservation means development as much as it does protection. I recognize the right and duty of this generation to develop and use the natural resources of our land but I do not recognize the right to waste them, or to rob, by wasteful use, the generations that come after us...

Moreover, I believe that the natural resources must be used for the benefit of all our people, and not monopolized for the benefit of the few...

Of all the questions which can come before this nation, short of the actual preservation of its existence in a great war, there is none which compares in importance with the great central task of leaving this land even a better land for our descendants than it is for us, and training them into a better race to inhabit the land and pass it on. Conservation is a great moral issue, for it involves the patriotic duty of insuring the safety and continuance of the nation."

edited 31st May '17 1:48:12 PM by megaeliz

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#191181: May 31st 2017 at 1:47:24 PM

Is not much a rapture narrative but a edén one, the idea things just are and you need to do Stuff, not surprising the most comon narrative about Trump suporter is that they are no nonsense people who just said thing as they are and nobody can back them down while liberal are sissies who engage in pointless shit because of their feelings.

That is why so Many people like Trump: is not that he is a bully with poor control is that he is in túne with the "truth" and therefore act acording to it, is a serious case of protagonist central morality

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#191182: May 31st 2017 at 1:58:22 PM

Sad thing is, the narrative of, "The world's about to end anyway so no point in conserving for the future when there isn't going to be one!" is a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy. So long as we continue to render the Earth uninhabitable in the name of snatching up what we can before the End of Days, we can be comfortably assured that it will, in fact, come.

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#191183: May 31st 2017 at 1:58:31 PM

Would you mind explaining how the two are related? I guess this isn't really super on-topic but I have noticed this trend of conservatives despising modern art and am curious if there's anything more to it.

From what I remember of this book I read a while ago, part of that has to do with modern art being perceived as the purview of "godless communists". (Of course, at the same time the USSR considered modern art the purview of decadent capitalists since they were big on socialist realism.)

edited 31st May '17 1:59:58 PM by rmctagg09

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#191184: May 31st 2017 at 2:29:46 PM

Btw Germany has told the US to butt out and NOT monitor the upcoming election.

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#191185: May 31st 2017 at 3:11:08 PM

I don't think modern art is in direct ideological conflict with conservative ideals. I suppose most conservatives believe in objective qualities, so that might have something to do with it.

My general opinion of modern art is that it relies too heavily on a sort of bullseye fallacy or circular reasoning. "The art is good because it achieves what it sets out to do, and to be what it is is what it set out to do".

A good analogy would be a parody retcon or a "Just Joking" Justification. If, for example, it's impossible to tell your parody apart from a bad movie, it's a bad movie. If it's impossible to tell your joke apart from an insult, it's an insult. If good modern art can't be told apart from bad art; then it isn't good art.

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#191186: May 31st 2017 at 3:53:26 PM

I have some problems with the modern art movement and part of it was the gripe I had with some artists I've met on the arts and music conservatory my mother works along her college work as a pedagogy teacher.

The problem is how cheap and how low the standards for modern art has become. To the point that if you throw some shit on top of a paper sheet it could become an exhibit if you find someone pretentious enough to expose it as art, or show a mangled sculpture or a painting that could have been done by a 5 year old but it is considered art as long as you slap some flavour text about some social cause on it.

My personal gripe with it and the artists is how that if you need to explain what it means and the viewer can't figure out what it means by itself, then it doesn't mean anything. Something that surrealism did quite well because their works weren't supposed to have a meaning other than paint the unreal, the surreal and the abstract, context or deeper meaning being either secondary or unnecessary. Classical or erudite art usually focus on the technical level and the picture of what is on the paining tend to be quite clear.

There are some good abstract art pieces but those tend to explore effects like space and perception distortions and mix asymmetry and symmetry shapes to confuse the viewers and to do that a high level of skill is needed and forego explanations over creating something that is interesting to look at.

The outlook that modern art circles have from students, wanna be artists and teachers is that modern art needs to have some symbolism or represent a issues associated with society or represent a social cause, but thanks to how abstract the works tend to be and how it is practically impossible to figure out how it is supposed to mean without either the artist being there to describe it or with a wall of text to explain what that is supposed to mean, something that can and does make modern art to be as pretentious as it looks.

edited 31st May '17 3:57:48 PM by AngelusNox

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#191187: May 31st 2017 at 4:12:09 PM

The problem is how cheap and how low the standards for modern art has become. To the point that if you throw some shit on top of a paper sheet it could become an exhibit if you find someone pretentious enough to expose it as art, or show a mangled sculpture or a painting that could have been done by a 5 year old but it is considered art as long as you slap some flavour text about some social cause on it.
There was an episode of Murphy Brown that ran with this. Murphy was having issues that episode because she felt much the same. By the end of the ep, she'd set up an exhibit using her toddler son's art and, when she tried to tell a potential buyer the stuff was made by a three year old, she got accused of "not getting it"

edited 31st May '17 4:12:28 PM by sgamer82

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#191189: May 31st 2017 at 4:32:01 PM

The always entertainingly incompetent Sean Spicer has taken a crack at "covfefe", answering questions on the meaning of it in the worst possible way. As he explained,

"The President and a small group of people know exactly what he meant."

Maybe not the best choice of defense for a man under investigation for criminal conspiracy with a foreign power.

edited 31st May '17 4:32:18 PM by TobiasDrake

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#191190: May 31st 2017 at 4:36:04 PM

Covfefe is now the first result on Google for the letter C.

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#191191: May 31st 2017 at 4:43:29 PM

Covfefe is the demon Trump summoned when he grasped the Orb.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#191192: May 31st 2017 at 4:53:45 PM

[up]I actually wondered what the deal with that orb even was. When I was told "The orb was just a touch activated thing that started up some video they were watching." I thought it was a joke. It wasn't, actually. It was part of a museum exhibit.

Also, Pres Villain on covfefe

WHO CAN FIGURE OUT THE TRUE MEANING OF "COVFEFE" ??? #PresidentSupervillain #covfefe
https://t.co/oGGXKFsf3M

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#191193: May 31st 2017 at 4:57:01 PM

I thought the Orb was some sort of ceremonial thing, myself.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#191194: May 31st 2017 at 5:49:37 PM

I have to admit, I'm kind of irritated by the mockery Trump is getting over "covfefe", not because he doesn't deserve to be mocked but because I feel like it's distracting from the genuinely awful things he's doing.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#191195: May 31st 2017 at 5:55:08 PM

Yeah, he's backing out of Paris, and his lawyer and Flynn were subpoenaed by Congress. But everyone is focusing on this stupid typo.

Oh, and Sessions forgot to disclose another meeting with the Russian ambassador.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/31/politics/congress-investigating-jeff-sessions-russian-ambassador-meeting/index.html

edited 31st May '17 5:56:28 PM by Rationalinsanity

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#191196: May 31st 2017 at 5:57:14 PM

[up][up]As hilarious as the memes are, the typo is really distracting people and the media from the BS going on. And the media is living up to the stereotype of it being useless and dumb.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#191197: May 31st 2017 at 6:13:54 PM

I thought Morning Joe, of all shows, reported on the typo well, saying that it is a minor thing and should not matter...except that people all over the world are seeing him make it and it is only furthering the perception of other world leaders that Trump is a) an imbecile or b) a madman.

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#191198: May 31st 2017 at 6:19:07 PM

I'm fully aware that Trump is backing out of Paris, that Sessions is doing his usual villainy, and that the Russia investigation is proceeding at a glacial pace. I've been keeping up with the antics of our madman President — I think I've earned the right to mock him.

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#191199: May 31st 2017 at 6:22:00 PM

I'm not sure is this has been mentioned yet, but has anyone heard about the hot water Evergreen State College is getting into? The Flame Wars I'm finding on comment sections on sites like Youtube and Facebook are pretty toxic, to say the least.

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#191200: May 31st 2017 at 6:27:50 PM

@Covfefe being a distraction: It's only a distraction if a) you ignore everything else (which no one here is), and b) you don't recognize that this incompetency is a part of his terribleness. Covfefe, while humorous, is a very simple demonstration of everything wrong with this administration: The President makes a mistake that makes himself and/or America look stupid (or evil, though this is just stupid) and tries to spin it as a positive thing.

Yes, worse things are happening, and worse things are happening even as we speak. It is important to remember that and not be distracted by only the humorous side of Trump's stupidity. But this is a prime example of his stupidity, period.


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