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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Apparently Comey plans to tell the Senate that Trump did tell him to end the Flynn investigation.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/31/politics/fbi-comey-testimony/index.html
edited 31st May '17 11:18:28 AM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.They need policy to conform to a specific set of economic and cultural interests (which in turn are intended to gain control of the governance structure) which the real world tends not to do. This also explains their resistance to modern art.
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.Would you mind explaining how the two are related? I guess this isn't really super on-topic but I have noticed this trend of conservatives despising modern art and am curious if there's anything more to it.
The GOP is what happens when you cultivate a powerbase made up of gullible, uneducated, easily-led morons only for one of said morons to hijack said powerbase out from under you, and then proceed to take the stupidity up to 9001.
edited 31st May '17 11:40:19 AM by Reflextion
Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.I don't think the GOP is consciously opposed to intellectualism. Most conservatives I've met were very openly pro-intellectual to the point of celebrating weird al for making fun of bad grammar and "making stupidity look uncool again".
Leviticus 19:34"Do they actually think intelligence should be based on gut force and beliefs instead of facts?"
for them they belive truth is something they already have and because of that they need to fight for it, which freed him for any class of empathy they have for others.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Well, there's a marked difference between "intelligent" and "intellectual." Almost no one is consciously "pro-stupid." What the GOP opposes isn't things like being able to do math and being able to read and write, but of things like higher scientific pursuits, humanistic philosophy, comparative anthropology, largely secular historical study, and what have you. They hate the university, where the barriers of the volk — the national mythology, jingoistic patriotism, faith, the family — are broken down and questioned, where different cultures interact and exchange ideas in an atmosphere of academic inquiry. They hate the metropolis, where different races are all jumbled into a single setting, where cultures collide and mix, where liberal politics prevail, where poverty and injustice brings people closer to the picket line and further from the church. They hate gays, bisexuals, transgenders, the sexually fluid, and those heterosexuals who support them. They hate atheists and agnostics, and any religion they consider an "Other." What they're against isn't "intelligence," what they're against is the legacy of the Enlightenment, going back to the foundations of the country. They're no different, taken with consideration to national context, to Merrie Englanders and old-school German Nationalists. It all goes back to that conservative romanticism.
edited 31st May '17 12:43:03 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."Their attitude is commonly derided as F*ck You, Got Mine, but that's not entirely accurate. So often do these people vote against their own interest due to seeing themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires that a better phrasing may be F*ck you, Gonna Get Mine Someday.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.RE: Modern Art
Honestly, I'm kind of in agreement, because an example I saw was someone that had put a painstaking amount of effort into carving a dragon out of a tree (down to chiseling in the scales) had their artwork put on display next to... a crude statue depicting a man jacking off into his own mouth. And I mean crude, to the point that it basically looked as close to a 3D stick figure as you can picture - so I can understand why people would be frustrated at having that level of effort put on an equal field as something like that, or the go-to criticism from Christians, the crucifix in a jar of urine.
TL;DR - it's mainly because the classics tended to have some degree of technical skill, whereas most Modern Art pieces run on the Rule of Symbolism.
edited 31st May '17 1:15:31 PM by ironballs16
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"It should also be noted that while their religion does not cause most of the terrible choices on the right - it does cause some, but not most - it does still act as a shield against considering the consequences of those choices. In large part because of the basic narrative that there is a plan for all of us, that the world's physics are run in accordance with that plan, and that our loving God will provide for us no matter what.
Like, say I'm one of my ultra-conservative relatives. You tell me that I need to be worried about climate change and how it will affect the world we're leaving behind for our kids. Well, you're a f*cking idiot because climate change isn't a thing. The climate isn't controlled by gas emissions, it's controlled by God, and he's not going to just murder us all for no reason, obviously.
And if he was going to murder us all with climate change, then that's going to happen regardless of what we do. Cutting back on carbon emissions isn't going to change God's mind. God's mind is immutable, and his choices are made with infinite wisdom. If it's time for the End of Days to come, then that's just what's going to happen, with or without our input.
Not like it's a big deal anyhow. My kids will join me in Eternal Paradise when the End of Days comes, so why should I be concerned?
Now, not every religious person thinks like that, of course. But it's exactly the kind of logical trap we have to deal with when arguing facts against the right; they aren't intimidated by the prospect of literally destroying the world, because they believe that a higher power has the first, last, and only vote on the fate of the Earth.
edited 31st May '17 1:11:10 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.![]()
As a (admittedly progressive) Christian, that mindset is incomprehensible to me. If I remember my genesis right, God charged Adam and Eve to be stewards of the garden of eden, and perhaps more importantly gave them the ability to make choices, that can affect the outcome. When they didn't make a good choice they got thrown out. Same sort of idea here.
edited 31st May '17 1:37:41 PM by megaeliz

Then jail him once he leaves office.
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.