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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#191151: May 31st 2017 at 11:16:33 AM

Then jail him once he leaves office.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#191152: May 31st 2017 at 11:16:40 AM

[up][up][up]...Wow.

edited 31st May '17 11:17:10 AM by LSBK

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#191153: May 31st 2017 at 11:17:16 AM

Apparently Comey plans to tell the Senate that Trump did tell him to end the Flynn investigation.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/31/politics/fbi-comey-testimony/index.html

edited 31st May '17 11:18:28 AM by Rationalinsanity

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#191154: May 31st 2017 at 11:25:36 AM

What's the GOP's problem in progress and intellectualism? Do they actually think intelligence should be based on gut force and beliefs instead of facts?

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#191155: May 31st 2017 at 11:30:34 AM

GOP is what happens when you hit the conservatism too hard and chase it with religion.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#191156: May 31st 2017 at 11:35:39 AM

They need policy to conform to a specific set of economic and cultural interests (which in turn are intended to gain control of the governance structure) which the real world tends not to do. This also explains their resistance to modern art.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#191157: May 31st 2017 at 11:35:53 AM

The GOP is an example of what happens when ideology is considered more important than reality.

edited 31st May '17 11:36:41 AM by M84

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#191158: May 31st 2017 at 11:38:53 AM

They need policy to conform to a specific set of economic and cultural interests (which in turn are intended to gain control of the governance structure) which the real world tends not to do. This also explains their resistance to modern art.

Would you mind explaining how the two are related? I guess this isn't really super on-topic but I have noticed this trend of conservatives despising modern art and am curious if there's anything more to it.

Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#191159: May 31st 2017 at 11:39:30 AM

The GOP is what happens when you cultivate a powerbase made up of gullible, uneducated, easily-led morons only for one of said morons to hijack said powerbase out from under you, and then proceed to take the stupidity up to 9001.

edited 31st May '17 11:40:19 AM by Reflextion

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#191160: May 31st 2017 at 11:44:05 AM

[up][up] At least Nicaragua can be happy they aren't the only North American country not in the Paris Accord anymore, and that they or Haiti probably won't be the worst North American country for much longer...
I have to echo LSBK here, wow. I honestly have no words, this comment is amazingly ignorant.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#191161: May 31st 2017 at 12:27:26 PM

I don't think the GOP is consciously opposed to intellectualism. Most conservatives I've met were very openly pro-intellectual to the point of celebrating weird al for making fun of bad grammar and "making stupidity look uncool again".

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#191162: May 31st 2017 at 12:27:55 PM

"Do they actually think intelligence should be based on gut force and beliefs instead of facts?"

for them they belive truth is something they already have and because of that they need to fight for it, which freed him for any class of empathy they have for others.

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Tangent128 from Virginia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#191163: May 31st 2017 at 12:28:24 PM

Their definition tends to be "if they agree with / sound like me, they're smart, otherwise they're stupid".

Do you highlight everything looking for secret messages?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#191164: May 31st 2017 at 12:30:36 PM

That's most people's definition, actually. Confirmation bias isn't just a thing on the right, though it's definitely worse problem for the right, right now anyways.

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#191165: May 31st 2017 at 12:39:45 PM

Well, there's a marked difference between "intelligent" and "intellectual." Almost no one is consciously "pro-stupid." What the GOP opposes isn't things like being able to do math and being able to read and write, but of things like higher scientific pursuits, humanistic philosophy, comparative anthropology, largely secular historical study, and what have you. They hate the university, where the barriers of the volk — the national mythology, jingoistic patriotism, faith, the family — are broken down and questioned, where different cultures interact and exchange ideas in an atmosphere of academic inquiry. They hate the metropolis, where different races are all jumbled into a single setting, where cultures collide and mix, where liberal politics prevail, where poverty and injustice brings people closer to the picket line and further from the church. They hate gays, bisexuals, transgenders, the sexually fluid, and those heterosexuals who support them. They hate atheists and agnostics, and any religion they consider an "Other." What they're against isn't "intelligence," what they're against is the legacy of the Enlightenment, going back to the foundations of the country. They're no different, taken with consideration to national context, to Merrie Englanders and old-school German Nationalists. It all goes back to that conservative romanticism.

edited 31st May '17 12:43:03 PM by CrimsonZephyr

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#191166: May 31st 2017 at 12:43:14 PM

[up]x4 And if you try to ask them to explain their stance, they just throw insults around, while giving no actual reasons why they do. It's all you've been brainwashed by fake news media, etc.

edited 31st May '17 12:46:18 PM by megaeliz

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#191167: May 31st 2017 at 12:57:19 PM

Their attitude is commonly derided as F*ck You, Got Mine, but that's not entirely accurate. So often do these people vote against their own interest due to seeing themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires that a better phrasing may be F*ck you, Gonna Get Mine Someday.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#191168: May 31st 2017 at 1:02:12 PM

[up] I still cringe at Rubio's stupid "Haves and Soon-to-haves" BS and the ovation it received.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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A procrastination in of itself
#191169: May 31st 2017 at 1:03:41 PM

I think it's not even "someday as much as it's "any day now", they think they're only seconds away from becoming one of the rich and wealthy.

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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#191170: May 31st 2017 at 1:03:42 PM

[up][up]Nowadays I only cringe about the later half: After all, Rubio is a have, saying this kind of things is his job.

edited 31st May '17 1:04:02 PM by Medinoc

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#191171: May 31st 2017 at 1:06:53 PM

RE: Modern Art

Honestly, I'm kind of in agreement, because an example I saw was someone that had put a painstaking amount of effort into carving a dragon out of a tree (down to chiseling in the scales) had their artwork put on display next to... a crude statue depicting a man jacking off into his own mouth. And I mean crude, to the point that it basically looked as close to a 3D stick figure as you can picture - so I can understand why people would be frustrated at having that level of effort put on an equal field as something like that, or the go-to criticism from Christians, the crucifix in a jar of urine.

TL;DR - it's mainly because the classics tended to have some degree of technical skill, whereas most Modern Art pieces run on the Rule of Symbolism.

edited 31st May '17 1:15:31 PM by ironballs16

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#191172: May 31st 2017 at 1:08:54 PM

My being conservative-leaning has nothing to do with why I hate most modern art. It's because most of the modern art that gets showcased in public and in galleries is lazy/offensive/pretentious shit. IMHO

edited 31st May '17 1:09:20 PM by M84

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#191173: May 31st 2017 at 1:10:59 PM

It should also be noted that while their religion does not cause most of the terrible choices on the right - it does cause some, but not most - it does still act as a shield against considering the consequences of those choices. In large part because of the basic narrative that there is a plan for all of us, that the world's physics are run in accordance with that plan, and that our loving God will provide for us no matter what.

Like, say I'm one of my ultra-conservative relatives. You tell me that I need to be worried about climate change and how it will affect the world we're leaving behind for our kids. Well, you're a f*cking idiot because climate change isn't a thing. The climate isn't controlled by gas emissions, it's controlled by God, and he's not going to just murder us all for no reason, obviously.

And if he was going to murder us all with climate change, then that's going to happen regardless of what we do. Cutting back on carbon emissions isn't going to change God's mind. God's mind is immutable, and his choices are made with infinite wisdom. If it's time for the End of Days to come, then that's just what's going to happen, with or without our input.

Not like it's a big deal anyhow. My kids will join me in Eternal Paradise when the End of Days comes, so why should I be concerned?

Now, not every religious person thinks like that, of course. But it's exactly the kind of logical trap we have to deal with when arguing facts against the right; they aren't intimidated by the prospect of literally destroying the world, because they believe that a higher power has the first, last, and only vote on the fate of the Earth.

edited 31st May '17 1:11:10 PM by TobiasDrake

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#191174: May 31st 2017 at 1:30:17 PM

[up]Basically the old "God's assistance vs. the sending canoes" bit. If God is supposed to work through us or whatever, you'd think fixing problems we made ourselves would go without saying.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#191175: May 31st 2017 at 1:33:05 PM

[up][up]As a (admittedly progressive) Christian, that mindset is incomprehensible to me. If I remember my genesis right, God charged Adam and Eve to be stewards of the garden of eden, and perhaps more importantly gave them the ability to make choices, that can affect the outcome. When they didn't make a good choice they got thrown out. Same sort of idea here.

edited 31st May '17 1:37:41 PM by megaeliz


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