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HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#190751: May 26th 2017 at 4:32:14 PM

John Boehner on Trump: “everything else he’s done has been a complete disaster."

I guess you could say that John... has a Boehner about it?

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#190752: May 26th 2017 at 4:36:23 PM

So help me, if I could Dope Slap you through the internet.tongue

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#190753: May 26th 2017 at 4:39:33 PM

WaPo: Kushner wanted secret communications channel with Kremlin

All right fuck this. Some people need to be wearing some silver bracelets.

New Survey coming this weekend!
HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#190754: May 26th 2017 at 4:40:53 PM

[up][up]Oh shut up; you love me for it.

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#190755: May 26th 2017 at 4:42:25 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Here's a Reddit comment linking to a lot of the elements from the story, but it's way too big for me to remember all the details.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#190758: May 26th 2017 at 5:45:36 PM

Few pages ago: Is it weird that I actually kind of respect Gianfort for giving an actual apology that wasn't 'I'm sorry you were offended'? He used actual first-person verbs like 'I did' and 'I apologize'.

It's been fun.
StarOutlaw Since: Nov, 2010
#190759: May 26th 2017 at 6:07:04 PM

[up]I'll give credit where it's due, he did actually take responsibility like an adult. Gianforte may not be the worst guy in the world. He may just be saying it to save face and not really mean it of course, but at least this way he doesn't win over the support of the people who think violence against reporters is okay, and we can assume that yes, it actually did happen and isn't a hoax.

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#190760: May 26th 2017 at 6:18:04 PM

Consider that there were multiple witnesses and he did outright lie about what happened at first. I think he's only owning up to it because he actually got cited for it and doesn't want to make it any worse for himself.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#190761: May 26th 2017 at 6:20:01 PM

My first instinct is that his lawyer told him to apologise and what the content of the apology should be, so that they can use it at court as part of their defence.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#190762: May 26th 2017 at 6:23:53 PM

What is terrible about this is you know if any non-famous minority bodyslammed a reporter the public would turn against them, assuming they didn't get arrested or shot on the spot.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#190763: May 26th 2017 at 6:30:58 PM

Yeah, all that is very true, and certainly very important to remember.

It's been fun.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#190764: May 26th 2017 at 6:52:11 PM

He's scum, and the only reason I hesitate to condemn his voters is that most of them voted before the incident.

[down]I guess it, huh.

edited 26th May '17 6:56:31 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#190765: May 26th 2017 at 6:55:04 PM

[up] "Heritage"? Did autocorrect not recognize "hesitate" for some reason?

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#190766: May 26th 2017 at 7:01:17 PM

Damn autocorrect. evil grin

Do not obey in advance.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#190767: May 26th 2017 at 7:08:21 PM

What is terrible about this is you know if any non-famous minority bodyslammed a reporter the public would turn against them, assuming they didn't get arrested or shot on the spot.

I mean, the public most likely wouldn't know, but considering the event in-question is physically assaulting someone for no valid reason, that's a good thing. I mean, I get the point you're trying to make, but this a very weird situation to try and apply that point, for numerous reasons.

edited 26th May '17 7:12:38 PM by LSBK

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#190768: May 26th 2017 at 7:13:05 PM

Being shot for non-felony assault is a tad on the extreme side of things.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#190769: May 26th 2017 at 7:15:53 PM

Of course it is. But Wildcard's point seemed to that people being against a minority for assaulting someone for no reason would be bad, when it wouldn't be.

Adding in that this guy apparently isn't even getting special treatment and that makes it even weirder.

edited 26th May '17 7:16:30 PM by LSBK

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#190770: May 26th 2017 at 7:37:46 PM

[up]No, my point was the politician is getting off with a slap on the wrist for what a lot of other people would get jailtime for. It would be good if they get punished. But conservatives are celebrating this guy physically assaulting someone else for asking a question.

This guy is getting special treatment and at the very least deserves a fine and a night or two in jail.

[up][up]Yes yes it is, but cops get away with that all the time.

edited 26th May '17 7:38:16 PM by Wildcard

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#190771: May 26th 2017 at 7:39:11 PM

But it doesn't sound like he's getting a slap on the risk; it sounds like the crime in question doesn't carry a very heavy penalty to begin with. That some people like what he did doesn't change that, and it doesn't mean it should carry weight.

Like I said, I understand your point, in theory, but this is just a bad situation to apply that to. This has nothing to do with police brutality or unfairness to minorities, and it seems like you're shoehorning it in just because.

edited 26th May '17 7:45:26 PM by LSBK

Ingonyama Since: Jan, 2001
#190772: May 27th 2017 at 3:20:58 AM

@Wyldchyld on the previous page: Actually the quoted article stated it was Paul Ryan who personally insisted to Gianforte that he needed to apologize. Which I think indicates a lot of things, including that maybe some of those "Ryan is SCARED!" e-mails we all get might actually be onto something—namely, that he knows how precarious things are getting for the Republicans in Congress and that despite those celebrating what Gianforte did (or even saying he should have done worse), there's a good chance of him losing the re-election itself in 2018 as part of the predicted Blue Wave. Ergo, damage control was needed.

Also, did anyone hear about this?

Two Stabbed to Death Defending Immigrant Women Being Insulted by Muslim-Hating Man

I know it isn't exactly political, but on the other hand we all know stuff like this is happening more because of Trump's rhetoric while campaigning and as President, and his supporters being emboldened. What's worrying is this happening in a place like Portland, and what this might do to the desires of people to protect and defend minorities from the hate.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#190773: May 27th 2017 at 4:56:28 AM

It's not about police brutality, it's about the fact that Gianforte assaulted someone else in full view of witnesses and may credibly get off by saying sorry in a public forum because he's a politician, whereas anyone else would probably have to go through the process of witness statements, etc. and would probably at least be fined.

Where the part about minorities comes in is that US police have shot POC for actions that are a lot less visibly threatening than physically bodyslamming someone. When we say 'the public would turn against them' it's not 'oh yes, that black man bodyslammed someone and that's very bad, he should pay the $500 fine as mandated in Montana Penal Code 45-5-201', but that the police could shoot a black man for misdemeanor assault and the public opinion would be generally that they did the right thing.

It's been fun.
SgtRicko Since: Jul, 2009
#190774: May 27th 2017 at 7:35:48 AM

[up][up]And will the Oval Office (or any right-wing office in Washington, for that matter) give a message of condolences? Nope.

But will they cry foul if they feel CNN or MSNBC isn't giving enough coverage regarding the latest bombing in Manchester (despite the fact it's been on the news every day since?) You betcha.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#190775: May 27th 2017 at 8:22:39 AM

[up][up]Wildcard didn't say anything about being a politician, he completely made it about race, and in this particular situation that doesn't make sense. Frankly, Gianforte being a politician probably means less to the people who like him for this than you think it does.

And we're all aware of racial injustices in the criminal justice system, but again, there are much more appropriate situations to bring that up. Because, unlike what Wildcard said, the "worst thing" about this situation isn't any hypotheticals, it was that a person was physically assaulted.

[up][up][up]Being in Portland isn't particularly worrying to me. Hate-crimes and hate-groups exist everywhere, contrary to what many would have you believe, blue states and liberal cities are not free of that.. As long as it doesn't become a frequent thing in the city, you can just write it off as a lone loon.

edited 27th May '17 8:31:11 AM by LSBK


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