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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#190726: May 26th 2017 at 1:22:35 PM

So, the goddamn FBI was acting on Russian intel that they knew was false. What the fuck is going on here?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#190727: May 26th 2017 at 1:34:23 PM

Hilary Clinton is evil so stopping her was more important? I recall it was a thing that the New York branch (or something like that) of the FBI was tearing itself apart because a large portion of its people bought into anti-Hilary propaganda hard.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#190728: May 26th 2017 at 1:44:11 PM

If the GOP can push Obamacare repeal to 2020, I feel like they would have given themselves a lifeline of sorts. Though it would probably just be a Cliffhanger Cop Out when they still can't pass Republicare. If that happens, color me unsurprised.

On one hand, people would be without the ACA, which would be bad enough. But on the other, they wouldn't have to deal with Republicare until 2020 or so, which seems to get worse with each attempt.

My point is: How do you screw up health care so badly that having no health care is preferable?

But will it matter by then? As it has been said before, if people lose their insurance now, they will know who took it from them.

edited 26th May '17 1:54:37 PM by BearyScary

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#190729: May 26th 2017 at 1:54:11 PM

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[up] Why would people lack health care if the ACA repeal is held off? Wouldn't today just been the ACA keeps going or am I missing something?

edited 26th May '17 1:55:57 PM by sgamer82

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#190730: May 26th 2017 at 2:02:07 PM

No Ontological Inertia.

Seriously though I think it would still be in place, although Trump is doing everything possible to undermine it working.

edited 26th May '17 2:02:25 PM by Hodor2

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#190731: May 26th 2017 at 2:02:08 PM

I thought the ACA was running out of funding?

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#190732: May 26th 2017 at 2:13:27 PM

The problem with holding ACA's repeal until 2018, is that that will piss off their base. They voted for these boso's (who are becoming less and less Pro-Trump, which makes them enemies to the base anyways) to get rid of Obamacare, and now they're sitting on their thumbs, saying "We'll try again when Trump gets a 2nd Term". Do you think these people will be voting for the same people who say one thing and do another? Unless their name is Donald J. Trump, the answer is most likely no.

The Republicans in Congress might get Primaried out for more Radical, Authoritarian, Pro-Trump Republicans who will get rid of the ACA (consequences be damned). Fortunately, that's only 30% of the Population in most states. 60%+ will not vote for radical Republicans, especially when for 2-4 years they'll seen just how terrible Trump and (even worse) Congressional Republicans are/have been.

If the Republicans sit on ACA's repeal until 2020, I think the Democrat Bloodbath (and the Republican v Republican Bloodbath before it) will be even greater...

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#190733: May 26th 2017 at 2:19:13 PM

@Beary Scary: Even with all the faults of the AHCA, I can't see how having no healthcare plan in place could possibly be better for anyone.

edited 26th May '17 2:22:31 PM by Grafite

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#190734: May 26th 2017 at 2:24:28 PM

[up] It's actually objectively true. At least it was in the case of the first attempt at AHCA. It promised to leave more people without coverage than just scrapping ACA would, if I remember that ones budget score correctly

edited 26th May '17 2:25:01 PM by sgamer82

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#190735: May 26th 2017 at 2:26:18 PM

Their base didn't know what Obamacare was when they voted. Like, that's legitimately a thing. A lot of Republican voters were alarmed to discover that this thing they spent eight years hyping up the repeal of was the Affordable Care Act.

They want Obamacare repealed as soon as possible because f*ck Obama and his dirty liberal welfare programs, but they also want the Affordable Care Act to be enshrined in law forever because of how much it's affected them, personally. Do not underestimate the ignorance of GOP voters.

If they push off the repeal until 2020, then their voterbase gets another four years in which they can blissfully hate Obamacare and convince themselves that the Republicans are totally going to scorch it and replace it with an awesome healthcare bill that's great and will solve all their problems..

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#190736: May 26th 2017 at 2:29:18 PM

This is largely why they can't just repeal it anymore. To many people have benefited from it on a personal level that axing it would politically doom the party that did it.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#190737: May 26th 2017 at 2:38:49 PM

I know that's true, but it still seems so weird to think that a lot of people legitimately did not know that the two are one and the same.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
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#190739: May 26th 2017 at 2:54:40 PM

Never underestimate the sheer stupidity of willfully ignorant people.

edited 26th May '17 2:55:36 PM by pwiegle

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#190740: May 26th 2017 at 3:10:40 PM

Oy, surely the lion's share of the blame has to go on the propaganda that was deliberately designed for that purpose.

StarOutlaw Since: Nov, 2010
#190741: May 26th 2017 at 3:12:10 PM

That's literally why they have been calling it Obamacare, to confuse voters and play them for dumb saps.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#190742: May 26th 2017 at 3:14:18 PM

So just to be clear, what exactly do they think Obamacare is that makes it separate from the ACA?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#190743: May 26th 2017 at 3:19:13 PM

Obamacare is from Obama. ACA is from the government.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#190744: May 26th 2017 at 3:27:50 PM

[up]They're supposed to hate the government too, though, so that doesn't really work.

As far as I can tell, people who don't know the difference don't even enough about the supposed differences to be able to describe them.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#190745: May 26th 2017 at 3:48:51 PM

Is anyone else worried that the Russian connection doesn't go to Trump directly? Like if whatever the testimony will reveal will only show that some Republicans in Trump's cabinet were compromised? I know trump's admin is trying to cover up something but it could be out of fear for their jobs not for fear of Trump personally getting caught. I'm worried about the damage the Dumpster has already done, but I'm also worried that he'll be the next President Reagan in the right winger's eyes. A horrible trash fire of a human being but who hurt minorities enough that they love him.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#190746: May 26th 2017 at 4:01:24 PM

[up] I certainly am concerned about that scenario.

edited 26th May '17 4:01:43 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#190747: May 26th 2017 at 4:08:36 PM

[up][up] Even if he has no direct ties to Russia himself, at this point, he's guilty of Obstruction of Justice either way.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#190748: May 26th 2017 at 4:11:39 PM

At the very least, he made the Nixon style cover up and will get burned for that.

But, if there is truth to the rumors that Kushner is involved, then Trump was as well. The family is his real inner circle.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#190749: May 26th 2017 at 4:16:43 PM

If Kushner is involved, then I don't think it really matters a lot if Trump himself is involved. Sure he might not be literally taken out of the white house in cuffs, but he would likely be either pressured into resigning and certainly wouldn't win reelection.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#190750: May 26th 2017 at 4:25:09 PM

So can someone recap what we know about Russia? It's an evolving and confusing story, so it's hard to keep up sometimes.

edited 26th May '17 4:25:52 PM by megaeliz


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