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ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#190601: May 25th 2017 at 7:35:21 PM

[up][up][up]Truman's domestic policies also sunk him-welfare was non grata after Truman made the appeal across all demographics. And he burned most of his political capital desegregating the military, and even then the only way he could sell it to the racists he needed for votes was to line their pockets in the form of cutting waste in military redundancy they could sell to their constituents.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#190602: May 25th 2017 at 7:36:24 PM

Well given the little I know about Quist, I'd think that the Libertarian candidate would only take votes from Gianforte. Which doesn't help if Quist doesn't get a plurality of votes, but I don't think he's going to lose any votes to the Libertarian.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#190603: May 25th 2017 at 7:37:11 PM

As bad as the CBO score was for the AHCA bill, turns out it was actually being generous since it didn't go into detail how this would affect children.

About 30 million children covered under Medicaid are going to be hurt by the AHCA's cuts if it passes.

edited 25th May '17 7:43:41 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#190604: May 25th 2017 at 7:39:51 PM

The republicans who made this bill have blood on their hands.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#190605: May 25th 2017 at 7:42:09 PM

Did I miss something and this bill passed without me knowing about it?

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#190606: May 25th 2017 at 7:44:53 PM

It hasn't passed. The CBO just scores the bill. It passed the House, but the Senate is going to tweak it to their liking and they may not have the votes for that given the CBO report.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#190607: May 25th 2017 at 8:00:12 PM

Honestly they might just outright refuse.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#190608: May 25th 2017 at 8:02:09 PM

Even if they make it less horrible (less being relative here) considering how things have been going what are the chances of the House out right rejecting it for being too soft like it seemed to be happening before?

Also, what happened with the secret discussions by those Republican senators to try and keep the worst parts of it in? Is that still a thing.

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#190609: May 25th 2017 at 8:08:23 PM

[up]The House Republicans are fractured into three groups-the Teapublicans and Randroids, the bulk of spineless shills and party line staggers, and the group with half a brain. The first vote failed because the first group scuttled it for not being awful enough-the second passed because several were courted by the opt out and preexisting conditions BS that allows insurers to drop people or price them out of care for no reason at all. If the Senate sends back a modified version, it would need to just as awful to pass, because the third group has not budged.

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#190610: May 25th 2017 at 8:19:12 PM

538 now has Gianforte up by about 9,000 votes. While only 44% is in, that's not good, unless there's a significant blue stronghold that hasn't come in this race is going to go down as another case of a Democrat performing better than expected but ultimately losing.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#190611: May 25th 2017 at 8:23:50 PM

Looking at their updating, that still could be a sign of that "Blue Wave" people have been going on about. They did also point out something that I didn't think about: Even if the Republican does win, he's given the opposition something very good to tarnish his name.

RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#190612: May 25th 2017 at 8:27:19 PM

Can anyone give me a run down of how Reagan Administration deal with AIDS?

edited 25th May '17 8:29:55 PM by RAlexa21th

Continue writing our story of peace.
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#190613: May 25th 2017 at 8:34:51 PM

If you've watched the video, then you already have a pretty good idea.

They ignored it entirely until the last year or two of the Reagan administration, by which point the lack of response to early warnings had pretty much wiped out the hemophiliacs in the US via HIV+ blood donations, and the disease started getting a pretty solid spread into the straight community. Even in the last year or two before Reagan left office and some official medical research and preliminary, baby step methods of countering AIDS were going into place, I don't think old Ronnie ever said the name of the disease a single time while in office.

It was something you didn't talk about, didn't act on, and the people dying of it were considered unimportant and contemptuous by that administration.

edit: Just double checked myself. Reagan first mentioned AIDS in 85... when he said that he didn't think HIV+ kids should be allowed to continue going to school alongside non-HIV+ kids.

I can well understand the plight of the parents and how they feel about it. I also have compassion, as I think we all do, for the child that has this and doesn't know and can't have it explained to him why somehow he is now an outcast and can no longer associate with his playmates and schoolmates. On the other hand, I can understand the problem with the parents. It is true that some medical sources had said that this cannot be communicated in any way other than the ones we already know and which would not involve a child being in the school. And yet medicine has not come forth unequivocally and said, This we know for a fact, that it is safe. And until they do, I think we just have to do the best we can with this problem. I can understand both sides of it.

Reagan's first speeches on talking about AIDS as a crisis wouldn't come until 87.

edited 25th May '17 8:43:49 PM by TheWanderer

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#190614: May 25th 2017 at 9:03:03 PM

The Montana race has been called for Gianforte (at least, according to the website Five Thirty Eight has been using).

Gosh dang it. Now I'm sad.

I think this is worse then Trump winning, because at least Trump never (personally) attacked anyone.

I'm worried for my Country...

edited 25th May '17 9:05:41 PM by DingoWalley1

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#190615: May 25th 2017 at 9:05:17 PM
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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#190616: May 25th 2017 at 9:08:41 PM

Not the vast majority of the votes. 2/3 of the votes.

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#190617: May 25th 2017 at 9:08:51 PM

He'll have to stand for election next year. There's a close opportunity to kick him out.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#190618: May 25th 2017 at 9:10:08 PM

[up][up]Still a pretty big gap.

edited 25th May '17 9:10:30 PM by LSBK

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#190619: May 25th 2017 at 9:10:51 PM

Also he's being charged with a misdemeanor. Piece of shit may have to step down if the sheriff can't protect him.

StarOutlaw Since: Nov, 2010
#190620: May 25th 2017 at 9:11:28 PM

Honest question, but how many people do you think voted for Gianforte because of the assault, due to Republicans trying to demonize media and reporters (that aren't Fox News)? How many Republicans see it as not a scandal, but congratulate Gianforte to being a big tough guy and teaching that lying liberal a lesson? I know there are good people in Montana, but I don't think we should assume that everyone is going to view this scandal as a scandal.

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#190621: May 25th 2017 at 9:11:33 PM

I'm worried for my Country...

I've read a lot of cases on other sites where I follow political threads, and in the news, of people essentially saying "Serves those reporters right."

I'd like to think it's a vocal minority, but between the toxic atmosphere that ring wing media has made worse and worse over the course of the last 20 years, how eager they are to put on the jackboots for every right wing president, and declare anyone who questions or challenges said president an enemy, it's hard not to be concerned.

I'm saddened and sickened by how bad the worst of this country is becoming, and how little true pushback there is to it.

[up] I don't think many people voted for him because of the assault, (as has been mentioned repeatedly most votes had already been mailed in and there was little time for the story to break before going to polls) but there definitely is a disturbingly large percentage who either think it never happened/was a possibel hoax, (eyewitnesses and recordings be damned) and/or those who approve of it, and essentially think "I was going to vote for him anyway, but now I'm sure of it. He's exactly the kind of fighter we need to stick it to the uppity Libs."

edited 25th May '17 9:16:00 PM by TheWanderer

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StarOutlaw Since: Nov, 2010
#190622: May 25th 2017 at 9:16:23 PM

[up]Well, at the very least, I think we could assume that anyone who actually thinks body slamming a reporter would have voted for Gianforte anyway. I highly doubt anyone who was on the fence was won over by it, but maybe when the story got out it it made people who might not have voted get out and vote one way or another.

I guess we'll see how things play out from here, see if the scandal will continue to haunt Gianforte or just end up blowing over. We'll see if people continue to tolerate Republicans committing crimes.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#190623: May 25th 2017 at 9:20:34 PM

I can see some on the fencers voting for him despite this (like a lot of people with Trump and everything he did), but I doubt most undecided voters who voted for him specifically did so because of this.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#190624: May 25th 2017 at 9:23:21 PM

Man, if this Gianforte asshole blew up like that over one reporter, I wonder how he'll handle dealing with reporters on a regular basis on the Hill or when dealing with constituents at town halls. Assuming he even bothers holding town halls.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#190625: May 25th 2017 at 9:34:18 PM

The overall picture appears to be that the assault made Gianforte do worse than he would've, but not by a huge amount.

Possibly it would've mattered more if the story had gotten a bit more time to develop.


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