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Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#189876: May 19th 2017 at 2:41:36 PM

You see if Laser-Guided Karma really worked Fox News would be off the air right now. Roger created a breeding ground for racism and sexual assault.

[up]Probably a lot of Baby Boomers who watched it are like "It wasn't so bad. The ones crying about all the assault probably deserved it". Us millennial have some trump supporters but they are most of the voting base for him and fox news watchers.

edited 19th May '17 2:44:17 PM by Wildcard

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#189877: May 19th 2017 at 2:43:48 PM

@Century Eye: it's a pretty safe thing to say that getting richer usually doesn't, by itself, make someone else poorer. Mind you, the rich still can and do hurt the poor.

A good example of what I'm talking about: in the Neolithic period, most everyone was really poor. There weren't many rich people. In a modern industrialized society ala the US, even poor people usually aren't about to die of starvation, despite there being more wealth inequality in the US than a hunter-gathered tribe.

Leviticus 19:34
Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#189878: May 19th 2017 at 2:46:15 PM

[up]Except the homeless people who can't get into the cramped homeless shelters. Probably not on statistics lists. Reagan created a lot of them for his rich buddies by making middle America believe in magic "trickle down economics".

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#189879: May 19th 2017 at 2:57:31 PM

So The Five is now The Four?

Do not obey in advance.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#189880: May 19th 2017 at 2:58:45 PM

Even being homeless in the US is better than what I'm comparing it to at the moment.

Note: not saying poverty in the US isn't a problem-it is-but this does still demonstrate my point, that having some people being rich does not by itself make people poorer.

Leviticus 19:34
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#189881: May 19th 2017 at 3:15:34 PM

I believe it's been mentioned both in this thread in the general economics threads, that Keynesian economic policies tend to make both the super-rich and the middle class and poor wealthier in the long run, so Protag's point about there being rich people not necessarily equally more poor people probably holds.

The issues we have no is due to short-sighted policies to increase wealth continuously and quickly in the short-term at the expense of everyone else. Probably because most people actually do wealth as a zero-sum game, even if it doesn't have to be.

edited 19th May '17 3:15:58 PM by LSBK

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#189882: May 19th 2017 at 3:20:03 PM

It would be close to a zero-sum game if the currency was static like it would be in a gold standard economy, but since the fiat currency is flexible in that regard, it won't be a zero sum game.

However treating the economy as a zero-sum game is something both left and right wings, from the US and abroad, tend to do, which in the long run harms everyone.

Inter arma enim silent leges
Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#189883: May 19th 2017 at 3:24:34 PM

Warcraft fans will now picture Pence as Majordomo Executus being bossed by Ragnatrump

Don't be ridiculous.

Trump is an orange, thin-skinned, temperamental bigot who delights in flashy shows of power that he can lord over others without understanding it, believes the country is only for people like him, and got where he is today entirely because of his daddy.

Trump is Garrosh, and I miss Vol'bama.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#189884: May 19th 2017 at 3:32:35 PM

Some interesting ones from today's belated WTF Happened Today that haven't come up yet that I saw (Links go to their Twitter):

6/ Trump’s attorney didn’t want him to sign his financial disclosure.

https://t.co/ly1xcQVSn8

7/ Health insurers are planning rate hikes on Obamacare — and they blame Trump.

https://t.co/UG8i5KfmIR

8/ Nearly 700 positions at the CDC are vacant because of Trump’s hiring freeze.

https://t.co/WRD3WRuJDZ

10/ Jeff Sessions and the Do J are telling lawyers to stop representing immigrants in deportation proceedings.

https://t.co/prR4bM5dQ0

edited 19th May '17 3:33:43 PM by sgamer82

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#189885: May 19th 2017 at 3:35:49 PM

[up][up] Except even Garrosh showed a bit of backbone in the end.

Disgusted, but not surprised
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#189886: May 19th 2017 at 3:36:34 PM

Jimmy Dore continues to claim DNC had Seth Rich murdered. Warning, contents may be hazardous to your sanity.

This stuff drives me nuts. I know in the long run his insanity (and that of fellow TYT goon Jordan Chariton) probably doesn't matter that much, but if even one person stays home in 2018 or 2020 because they believe garbage like this, it hurts progressives.

In good news, Sam Seder continues to call him out on it.

edited 19th May '17 3:37:12 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#189887: May 19th 2017 at 3:36:37 PM

[up][up]And he had standards early on

edited 19th May '17 3:36:46 PM by sgamer82

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#189888: May 19th 2017 at 3:38:20 PM

..Welp, now I'm feeling a little less pleased with the possibility of voting for him in 2020. I'll still do it...but I'm not going to forget this.

Seriously Biden, you couldn't have just said her campaign made mistakes?

Given his comment about her being a good president while saying she's not a good candidate is an attempt to observe something this thread has pointed out (more eloquently) in the past: Clinton has extremely high approval ratings while in office, but not while running for office.

She's like that classic situation of the best people for the job not being very good at interviews, while the people who can't do the job know all the buzzwords to blag their way through the interviews.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#189889: May 19th 2017 at 3:41:28 PM

Isn't Biden a tad too old to run in 2020? I mean, he'll be almost eighty by then.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#189890: May 19th 2017 at 3:42:04 PM

Article on how Joe Lieberman at the FBI would be Trump's shrewdest troll yet.

The gist of it is that it will give Trump an appearance of bipartisanship that isn't really there, and may well win over parts of the media and some Red State Dems.

edited 19th May '17 3:42:53 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#189891: May 19th 2017 at 3:52:16 PM

Clinton has extremely high approval ratings while in office, but not while running for office. She's like that classic situation of the best people for the job not being very good at interviews, while the people who can't do the job know all the buzzwords to blag their way through the interviews.

Kind of like me. I hate the process of job-hunting, because you basically have to pimp yourself to prospective employers.

I sort of fell into my current job, and my job performance has made it such that they don't ever want to get rid of me, because anybody else who could do the job as well as I can wouldn't work for the cut-rate wages they're paying me. (I don't have a family to support, so it's okay with me.)

This Space Intentionally Left Blank.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#189892: May 19th 2017 at 3:56:10 PM

I guess the answer to this question is "No", huh?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#189893: May 19th 2017 at 3:59:40 PM

Comey agrees to testify before Senate.

EDIT: I know I should comment, but there's really not a lot else to say here.

edited 19th May '17 4:00:13 PM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#189894: May 19th 2017 at 4:08:41 PM

[up][up]Actually yes, but posts about that started a bit after that post (and a bit before you posted that question).

@ Protagonist 506; LSBK; Angelus Nox seems sensible. (dismal science...)

edited 19th May '17 4:13:40 PM by CenturyEye

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#189895: May 19th 2017 at 4:26:15 PM

Given his comment about her being a good president while saying she's not a good candidate is an attempt to observe something this thread has pointed out (more eloquently) in the past: Clinton has extremely high approval ratings while in office, but not while running for office.

Well all the evidence says she's good at raising money from fundraisers at least. She's just terrible at creating enthusiasm and she and her team picked a losing campaign strategy based on equal parts hubris and delusion.

Just compare 08 Obama and her schedule during the last months of the race.

TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#189896: May 19th 2017 at 4:29:41 PM

Isn't Biden a tad too old to run in 2020? I mean, he'll be almost eighty by then.

Biden is the person who should be President right now. I understand completely why he didn't run and can't blame him; Lord knows that man deserves a fucking break. But yeah, I don't see him running in 2020 unless he feels that he absolutely has to.

And with that, who would be the good candidates from the current pool?

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IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#189897: May 19th 2017 at 4:39:20 PM

[up]What is "the current pool" to you? Because the Hill gives a ridiculous list of 43 candidates, and I can still think of people missing (MT governor Steve Bullock, for example)

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#189898: May 19th 2017 at 4:53:06 PM

In that list, there are less than 10 compelling figures and of those some have said they don't want to run, are too old , not marketable or too new.

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#189899: May 19th 2017 at 5:02:15 PM

I'd be happy with any candidate besides tulsi gabbard. Also when is comey going to testify?

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#189900: May 19th 2017 at 5:05:18 PM

[up][up]That is why I said "a ridiculous list. On another website I said this about the list:

8 are business-people, celebrities or Michelle Obama, so I think we can count them out safely (Obama doesn't want to run and I don't believe the democratic base wants to do a Trump and elect someone with no experience in politics). Kaine, Feingold, Dean and Gore are pretty much dead for a run for president, so they're probably out too. Dayton has cancer, so he'd probably not run, Warner's quoted saying “I think that window is probably shut” and Newsom is quoted in the article saying that being president would be the most miserable job in the world. That's 15 down, so we go from 43 to 28.

Of the 28 still here, Perez, Ellison, McAuliffe and Maloney, sound like somebody saw Democrats who're involved in the organization of the party and threw them in. Murphy, Booker, Cuomo, O'Malley, Gabbard, Webb, Landrieu and Inslee might have baggage or controversial positions that would sink a run (which doesn't mean they wouldn't try). Also, Garcetti and Castro are trying to run for governor, so if they win they should probably stay there, and a loss would be too close to the beginning of the presidential primaries for them to recover in time. So we're down to 15.

Now, looking at the current Senators (Sanders, Warren, Harris, Klobuchar, Gillibrand, Franken, Brown and Duckworth) who're still in consideration, we should count out those from states where the governor will be R (so them running isn't losing a seat in the Senate), meaning no Warren or Brown (and maybe no Sanders) and the ones who'll be running for reelection that year (bye Franken). Dems don't usually do House reps as presidential candidates, which gets Moulton out. Now we're at 10.5 (since I can't say about the governor of Vermont that year, meaning Sanders may or may not run).

Now, while I don't think age is too limiting, Biden, Brown and Sanders would probably be too old for some in 2020. So I'd say the potential roster for 2020 will have the following 8 candidates:

  • Kamala Harris
  • Amy Klobuchar
  • Kirsten Gillibrand
  • John Hickenlooper
  • Deval Patrick
  • Bill de Blasio
  • Tammy Duckworth

I would personally add Steve Bullock (Montana governor) as a contender, who wasn't included in the list.

Do note: a. I was trying to trim the list, so I'm probably being overeager at cutting people out; and b. the final 8 are more of a "could be the candidate" than "could run", since I imagine some (read: many) of the people I counted out would run.

edited 19th May '17 5:09:59 PM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV

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