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CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#189826: May 19th 2017 at 10:20:57 AM

If I may ask-why is America unable to separate religion from politics?
See "civil religion" on The Other Wiki. (Or ask De Marquis if you can catch him. He showed pretty good insights on this in the US Culture forum).

Catholics in America are just another sign of how religion has polluted American politics. Now, I don't know what the reactions of non-American churches was like, but I do know that, after Obergefell v. Hodges was decided, the leaders of the church I went to basically threw a hissy fit.

Not sure about this one. The reaction of my church's leaders were the exact opposite. (Probably has nothing to do with the church leader being gay himself but I digress).
Also, of those religious revivals, TAP mentioned, one "great awakening" galvanized the abolitionist movement and much of the same religious expression was heavily involved in the civil rights movement. (SCLC—Southern Christian Leadership Conference). As with anything else, trying to claim divine backing can lead to good or ill.

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#189827: May 19th 2017 at 10:35:13 AM

Uhm, we have a minimum wage?note 

edited 19th May '17 10:37:20 AM by 3of4

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#189828: May 19th 2017 at 10:37:56 AM

[up][up][up]I still say Death Of A Salesman should be required reading in every school, if only because doing so might help cure everyone of having such delusions before they even start.

edited 19th May '17 10:38:21 AM by kkhohoho

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#189829: May 19th 2017 at 10:47:38 AM

[up] Problem is, too many people who have read the book end up thinking like Happy instead of Biff.

Disgusted, but not surprised
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#189830: May 19th 2017 at 10:51:21 AM

[up]Seriously? That's missing the entire point of the play! What, would it only get through to them if Miller decided to have Willy rise up from the grave and strangle Happy to death while declaring just how wrong they both were and how much the American dream is a crock? It'd at least get their attention if nothing else.tongue

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#189833: May 19th 2017 at 10:55:22 AM

I mean, I don't think abandoning the notion that anyone can become very successful is particularly helpful. Anyone isn't the same thing as everyone.

More like we need to make upward mobility actually feasible again while also acknowledging that most people aren't going to become super wealthy but can still live a decent life.

As for how to do that, you've got me.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#189834: May 19th 2017 at 10:59:26 AM

The blind optimism brought about by the American Dream has convinced too many people that becoming rich isn't that hard, so they better vote for tax cuts for the rich. As John Oliver put it in his segment on Income Inequality: "I know this game is rigged...which is why it's going to be so sweet when I win this thing!"

Said segment also included a brief clip of Marco Rubio's "Nation of Haves and Soon-to-haves" speech. The ovation Rubio received was telling.

edited 19th May '17 11:00:56 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#189835: May 19th 2017 at 11:04:32 AM

It often seems to me that people assume that all European politics are like the Scandinavian model.

I mean, it should be, but we're still working on convincing the rest of Europe on that one tongue

Also there's not one Scandinavian Model. Norway, Denmark and Sweden operate similar mixed economies, but they're very different in their details.

edited 19th May '17 11:05:24 AM by math792d

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#189836: May 19th 2017 at 11:05:27 AM

I think this our Ironic Hell, given how much do and say what you want, f*** the consequences and the haters, win & get money are essential messages in our culture. We elected our Shadow Archetype / Enemy Without.

Not for nothing do I say that Trump is the US' Shadow, he is all our culture's flaws and vices made manifest.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#189837: May 19th 2017 at 11:09:37 AM

@LSBK and Tactical Fox 88: Gee, maybe I should just say, "I'm an idiot, so answer like I'm five" so I can beat you guys to the punch when it comes to calling me a moron.

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#189838: May 19th 2017 at 11:11:55 AM

Trump is more like pure, personified Id. When you strip civilization away from humanity, you end up with a race of Trumps.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#189839: May 19th 2017 at 11:13:52 AM

[up]Nah, civilization is why someone like Trump was able to get so powerful and live to be 70. He'd have perished a long time ago without the cushion his daddy's wealth provided.

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#189840: May 19th 2017 at 11:14:19 AM

[up][up]If that's what you got from my response I'd say that's more on you than what I actually said.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#189841: May 19th 2017 at 11:15:08 AM

[up][up]The homo Trumpien actually died out in ancient times. They had that custom of clubbing women over the head and dragging them to caves by their hair... Only to be stymied when all they inevitably brought back were headless bad wigs.

edited 19th May '17 11:15:30 AM by sgamer82

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#189842: May 19th 2017 at 11:16:24 AM

[up][up]Rousseau was right! We need to return to nature so that none of us live long enough to become like Trump!

edited 19th May '17 11:16:35 AM by CrimsonZephyr

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
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Asgore Adopts Noelle
#189843: May 19th 2017 at 11:26:48 AM

I am absolutely against the idea of a Maximum Wage. People who are either a)Lucky, b)Super Intelligent/Attractive/Skilled/(List other here) or c)both, should not be punished for those reasons and only be able to get a certain amount of money for their works.

I'm not against raising the Minimum Wage and creating a Basic Income, though.

[down] I completely agree.

edited 19th May '17 11:33:51 AM by DingoWalley1

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#189844: May 19th 2017 at 11:32:50 AM

[up] Maybe not a maximum wage, but bigger taxes certainly are necessary at a certain point. And these days when the income inequality seems to keep rising...

Most times, the problem isn't that those rich people don't deserve the money they earned, it's that there are many more living in misery while they lead extravagant lifestyles.

edited 19th May '17 11:33:54 AM by Grafite

Life is unfair...
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#189845: May 19th 2017 at 11:37:29 AM

Biden disses Hillary.

Former vice president Joe Biden stirred the Democratic pot a little bit on Thursday night.

Appearing at the SALT hedge fund conference in Las Vegas, the possible 2020 presidential candidate weighed in on Hillary Clinton's 2016 candidacy in a way that Clinton supporters sure won't like.

“I never thought she was a great candidate,” Biden said, according to reports. “I thought I was a great candidate.”

Biden clarified, according to CNN, that “Hillary would have been a really good president.” But that isn't likely to make Clinton supporters feel much better.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#189846: May 19th 2017 at 11:41:45 AM

[up] ...Welp, now I'm feeling a little less pleased with the possibility of voting for him in 2020. I'll still do it...but I'm not going to forget this.

Seriously Biden, you couldn't have just said her campaign made mistakes?

edited 19th May '17 11:42:32 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#189847: May 19th 2017 at 11:42:49 AM

I mean, too be fair, being good at the job and convincing people you'd be good at the job are distinct things.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#189848: May 19th 2017 at 11:43:22 AM

I mean, the maximum wage doesn't need to be low. Make it absurdly high, just enough to crush the 0.1% back into the 1%, without killing the 1% entirely.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#189849: May 19th 2017 at 11:44:48 AM

I seem to have missed most of a discussion about how Catholics voted. Here's actual numbers. It leans more Trumpish than I'd like but it's split. Also, Hispanic Catholics largely (but not uniformly) went for Clinton.

Catholicisim has a non-negligible liberal/conservative split down to its current roots. (Francis is the most liberal pope in my lifetime, Benidict before him was conservative-ish and John Paul was a reformer but still had moral conservative leanings.) How Catholics voted likely has more to do with their preexisting biases rather than anything inherent in being Catholic. There are things in doctrine that map with moral conservatism but also things that map with progressiveness and it's a toss up which any person will care more about.

Addendum: Also, don't forget we have Tim Kaine as a high profile example of a liberal Catholic. I've said it before, he seems like I guy I could respect even as an ex-Catholic.

[down]I wibbled over whether to further qualify him or not but it's not like he tried to go and undo John Paul II's reforms either.

edited 19th May '17 12:20:45 PM by Elle

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#189850: May 19th 2017 at 11:52:37 AM

Joseph Ratzinger was pretty staunchly conservative, from everything I've read of him.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.

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