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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#189801: May 19th 2017 at 8:47:18 AM

A clip of Hillary doing debate prep back in '16.

Man I wish this had leaked. No wonder her advisors have Undying Loyalty to her.

New Survey coming this weekend!
CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#189802: May 19th 2017 at 8:56:09 AM

[up]You know, I thought I'd already made it to the "Acceptance" stage. Thanks alot...

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
Proglottid Since: Mar, 2010
#189803: May 19th 2017 at 8:56:36 AM

If you ask me it couldn't really be more obvious Trump didn't REALLY want to be the President and still doesn't want to be, but he's someone with such a monstrously massive, bubble-thin ego and an all-consuming hunger for praise that even the merest iota of a thought of even beginning to consider just resigning means he loses, and that's anathema to him, so he's riding this one out

The only way we'll see Trump leaving is either after he drops dead from stress and paranoia or he's dragged kicking and screaming out of the White House leaving behind a trail of tears and piss.

edited 19th May '17 8:57:31 AM by Proglottid

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#189804: May 19th 2017 at 8:59:42 AM

Was the Washington Post piece about Comey's memos mentioned yet? (I will copy it if not, but want to make sure before I do.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/us/politics/james-comey-memo-fbi-trump.html?_r=1

edited 19th May '17 9:01:51 AM by megaeliz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#189805: May 19th 2017 at 9:03:02 AM

[up][up] He hates being President but he hates losing even more.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#189807: May 19th 2017 at 9:06:43 AM

[up] Too bad his Ironic Hell leaves him in a position of power where he's a constant threat to everyone. Kind of like a Darklord in Ravenloft, except his "realm" is the USA.

edited 19th May '17 9:07:26 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#189808: May 19th 2017 at 9:15:51 AM

[up]Have we checked lately that the Mists didn't just swallowed all of us while we were sleeping.

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#189809: May 19th 2017 at 9:31:20 AM

[up][up]I think this our Ironic Hell, given how much do and say what you want, f*** the consequences and the haters, win & get money are essential messages in our culture. We elected our Shadow Archetype / Enemy Without.

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#189810: May 19th 2017 at 9:43:34 AM

Can Trump be sunk?

Thorought his campaign and now thorought his term he has done and said things that would get literally everybody else politically crucified. I'm not talking about just politicians; it feels like anyone trying to pull the shit Trump pulls would be carried out of the White House in a wheelbarrow.

He will not leave out of his volition, GOP has no interest in removing him and Democrats are powerless until '18. Short of actual death, it seems Trump is unsinkable (but that would just make him a martyr, regardless of whether he was assassinated, died in his sleep or choked on food), and while I'm probably mistaken in assuming that, it is simply not looking up too well.

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#189811: May 19th 2017 at 9:46:24 AM

[up] What if he was struck by lightning? Seems like it would be easy to spin that into a Bolt of Divine Retribution.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#189812: May 19th 2017 at 9:47:25 AM

[up][up] They said the same about the Titanic and look how it resulted. Uttering the word "unsinkable" might be the biggest attempt of Tempting Fate screwing you harder than it should be.

edited 19th May '17 9:47:32 AM by Luigisan98

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#189813: May 19th 2017 at 9:50:09 AM

Catholics in America are just another sign of how religion has polluted American politics. Now, I don't know what the reactions of non-American churches was like, but I do know that, after Obergefell v. Hodges was decided, the leaders of the church I went to basically threw a hissy fit.

If I may ask-why is America unable to separate religion from politics? Even during the Cold War, Europe never went to the extent of making something like "In God We Trust" a motto. And to this day, several states (including the one i live in, Texas) make it outright illegal for an atheist to hold political office. Is Europe's lack of religion in politics and heavy focus on left-wing economics because of the devastation they faced as a result of WWII, while America never had to experience any of that?

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#189814: May 19th 2017 at 9:55:47 AM

Europe isn't a monolith, nor is it's focus on let-wing economic policies tends to be greatly exaggerated from what I can tell. More so than the United States, sure, but they deal with more or less the same issues, with effectiveness in preventing them varying from nation to nation.

edited 19th May '17 9:56:24 AM by LSBK

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#189815: May 19th 2017 at 9:57:17 AM

[up] also keep in mind that certain issues are more accepted in America than in Europe and vice versa. Parts of Europe are notoriously anti-choice even compared to America-Ireland is a prime example.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#189816: May 19th 2017 at 9:58:45 AM

Most of the people wanting us to be like Europe don't know much about Europe.

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#189817: May 19th 2017 at 9:59:49 AM

Because the first settlers in British America were Puritan hardliners from England who felt that High Church Anglicanism wasn't hardcore Protestant enough for them. The people in America have since changed and most of our values are way more progressive, but the societal detritus from those days never went away. There are more Catholics and different types of Protestants and Muslims and Hindus and more Jews, but the prominent place for religious conservatism that the earliest settlers made was reoccupied by different demographics. Add to that waves of religious revivalism in the 19th and 20th Centuries, and you have the making of a strong religious right. It's the reason our political language has — for better or for worse — a preoccupation with religious freedom.

edited 19th May '17 10:01:19 AM by CrimsonZephyr

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#189818: May 19th 2017 at 10:00:26 AM

@Scifi Slasher: Two things-Mccarthy spinning religion into both a partisan political point and a frame of reference to attack 'communists' as part of the Red Scare. The second portion was Nixon's Decapitated Army: after he was removed from office, his coalition started to splinter, and his successors decided to use Roe v Wade as a rallying cry to keep the evangelicals glued to the fiscal deregulators of the GOP proper. Everything that followed the last 40 odd years is the legacy of those two decisions.

edited 19th May '17 10:01:41 AM by ViperMagnum357

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#189819: May 19th 2017 at 10:01:26 AM

It often seems to me that people assume that all European politics are like the Scandinavian model.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#189820: May 19th 2017 at 10:03:30 AM

Goldwater is laughing in his grave.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#189821: May 19th 2017 at 10:04:55 AM

Germany is probably what America would be, ideally (although without some of the problems Germany has with the EU and its neighboring countries of course).

It has Universal Health Care, but not single payer.

Strong Unions, but no (explicit nominal at least) minimum wage.

Strong Emphasis on Trades than University

Relatively Affordable Housing as many Germans live in Apartment complexes and not actual houses. Though, depending on who you asked, that may or may not be a good thing. YMMV

edited 19th May '17 10:06:05 AM by TacticalFox88

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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#189822: May 19th 2017 at 10:09:44 AM

[up] I think a minimum wage is a necessity at this point. If we survive the next 20 years and strengthen unions then we can talk.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#189823: May 19th 2017 at 10:15:41 AM

Make a maximum wage.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#189824: May 19th 2017 at 10:16:28 AM

There's a few reasons. One thing to note is that the US during the Cold War became rabidly anti-Stalinist to the point of adopting religion just to spite him.

Leviticus 19:34
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#189825: May 19th 2017 at 10:20:17 AM

[up][up] Not gonna happen. Ever. Especially in a country where the dream that anyone can become rich is rooted deeply in the nation's psyche.

edited 19th May '17 10:20:32 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised

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