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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#189501: May 17th 2017 at 8:59:13 AM

Here's the thing - with Pence as VP, he'll be able to do everything he would be able to do as President. That said, Trump's general incompetence and swayability may be acting as a foil to some of Pence's goals through sheer coincidence- but as people have said, we can't let fear of Pence keep us from removing Trump from office if that becomes a possibility. We'll fight a Pence White House just as fiercely as we have been a Trump White House.

It's been fun.
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#189502: May 17th 2017 at 9:11:20 AM

[up] Exactly, if there is any valid reason for impeachment, then it's our responsability to do it by law and apply the same rules to whatever candidate comes next.

Life is unfair...
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#189503: May 17th 2017 at 9:12:33 AM

I'd rather bank on removing the Republican majorities from Congress than on impeachment. It's an easier thing to do and is going to yield more positive results.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#189504: May 17th 2017 at 9:15:03 AM

Honestly, a Trump impeachment would probably have such a catastrophic effect on the GOP that President Pence would be a toothless do nothing.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#189505: May 17th 2017 at 9:16:06 AM

The only way I could see the GOP salvaging things is by doing the impeachment themselves to pull the rug out from under the Democrats who want it.

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#189506: May 17th 2017 at 9:30:59 AM

I think if there's a road to remove Trump (impeach, 25th amendment, whatever), you have to support it. To leave Trump in place hoping to gain more seats for Dems in 2018/2020 would be the same as putting party before country (and possibly the world).

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#189507: May 17th 2017 at 9:35:15 AM

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/333803-first-republican-raises-impeachment-for-trump

Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) on Wednesday said reports that President Trump pressed ousted FBI Director James Comey to end an investigation would merit impeachment if true, becoming the first Republican lawmaker to broach the idea.

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#189508: May 17th 2017 at 9:35:16 AM

No, the reason why removing the Republican majorities in Congress needs to take priority over removing Trump is because they are the actual drivers of many of Trump's more harmful deeds.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
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#189510: May 17th 2017 at 9:37:17 AM

[up][up]On the other hand, I'm not afraid of WW3 happening if someone in another country offends POTUS Pence.

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#189511: May 17th 2017 at 9:39:27 AM

https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/864614690797834241

Let the lulz begin once more. [lol]

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#189512: May 17th 2017 at 9:40:03 AM

@Tactical Fox-

Huh. That's unkind to the memory of Andrew Jackson who was treated "very unfairly".

edited 17th May '17 9:40:23 AM by Hodor2

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#189513: May 17th 2017 at 9:41:35 AM

I shall now use 'Flynn' as a curse word from now on.

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A wandering user
#189514: May 17th 2017 at 9:42:37 AM

[up]KEVIN FLYNN!!! WHERE ARE YOU NOW?!

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#189515: May 17th 2017 at 9:48:56 AM

The manchild-in-chief is really mad that people don't like him.

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#189516: May 17th 2017 at 9:50:33 AM

RE: Trump impeached and Pence president: Supposed that happens, and if we have 2018, I presume we have to hope for the Democrats to take over Congress?

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Lost in Space
#189517: May 17th 2017 at 9:51:27 AM

Even taking the House would allow Democrats to stop Pence from doing anything particularly odious. Of course, there is the risk that a Pence administration wouldn't be awful enough to get Republican voters to abandon the party to the degree needed to reclaim the House.

edited 17th May '17 9:51:42 AM by Fighteer

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#189518: May 17th 2017 at 9:54:31 AM

[up]One can always hope that Trump will drag the party down with him by yelling about how he was betrayed, and stabbed in the back by the Republicans in Congress. After-all, he is not getting impeached, let alone convicted without the consent of Republicans.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#189519: May 17th 2017 at 9:55:31 AM

[up][up]that would be the case as Pence lack Trump chaotic nature meetings it can make GOP respetable(read: no insane)

edited 17th May '17 9:55:51 AM by unknowing

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#189520: May 17th 2017 at 9:59:26 AM

Depending on how the hypothetical impeachment is carried out and viewed in the public eye, doing it could probably help the Dems chances.

Frankly, I was worried about the healthcare debacle staying in the public minds, but an unpopular and criminal president being impeached is not something that's going to be forgotten by anyone.

Edit: So basically the exact opposite of Bill Clinton's impeachment would be the ideal, and might be feasible.

edited 17th May '17 10:02:43 AM by LSBK

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Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#189521: May 17th 2017 at 10:00:03 AM

@ this

Trump: No politician in history ...has been treated worse or more unfairly.
Those twitter comments had sputtering. [lol] Great reminder, you're not so alone too.

  • Just one: "Julius Caesar, dying from dozens of stab wounds on the floor of the Senate: "I am inclined to agree with President Trump""

And this at a military academy commencement ceremony to boot. (Thank you for your hard work. Now may I present your glorious commander-in-chief!)

edited 17th May '17 10:03:36 AM by CenturyEye

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#189522: May 17th 2017 at 10:22:30 AM

Re: Trump impeachment chances

The Onion: Nation Allows Itself 5 Minutes To Believe This All Going To Be Over Soon

The Onion is right. This isn't going away anytime soon, no matter how much dirt anyone has on Trump, and no matter how much we want it to.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#189523: May 17th 2017 at 10:23:54 AM

[up] You think the nation can have enough patience for him?

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A procrastination in of itself
#189524: May 17th 2017 at 10:27:15 AM

Keep in mind that Pence would have to self sabotage his administration from the start, he'd instantly loose the support of Trump's hardcore supporters, then there's the choice of what to do with Trump, if he pardon's Trump then he's tied himself to Trump and will never live it down, if he doesn't pardon Trump...

Well we'll get to find out if Trump's suggestion that he's been taping people at the White House is true, I'm pretty sure if the Republicans turn on him he'd put every compromising tape he has out for the public to listen to.

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Confirmed Doomer
#189525: May 17th 2017 at 10:29:05 AM

[up][up] He's not getting impeached until and unless the Democrats take the House next November (and even then, it still falls to the Senate to decide whether or not to convict him). It doesn't matter how patient the nation is, the GOP doesn't have nearly enough integrity to get rid of him.

Granted, how the GOP reacts to Trump can decide their reelection chances. But he's definitely not going away until early 2019 at the absolute earliest. And if I'm proven wrong and the GOP impeaches him, I'll eat my hat (luckily, I have a deep fryer, so I could well actually stomach eating a hat).

edited 17th May '17 10:32:21 AM by TrashJack

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