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CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#189451: May 16th 2017 at 10:35:29 PM

About DC, I never understood why the US never took the Brazilian route: make DC equivalent to a state for the sake of senate and congress. That way you keep a special district that is not a state, for all good that is, but don't pointlessly disenfranchise people.
That'd be my preferred compromise actually. Give DC proper rep/senate rights with a devolved pseudo-state government. Tis still the federal territory after all, and full statehood leads to thorny federalism questions, and the district was made in the first place to create a safe space for the federal government.

@Labrador's stupidity du jour: yeah...I'll just choose one—that suing a city for not doing its job can happen under current law. Except immigration isn't a city thing (and good luck proving proximate cause if it was—or hell, figuring out who to sue b/w legislative immunity and a "just following orders" defense that regularly works).

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Jasaiga Since: Jan, 2015
#189452: May 16th 2017 at 10:37:31 PM

TYT of course today is trying to discredit Hillary raising money for progressive groups because without a hint of irony...

They think she's going to channel that money to so-called "corporate democrats"

What

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#189453: May 16th 2017 at 10:37:35 PM

[up][up]I could get behind that solution for DC. It doesn't have to be exactly like the states, but they need some form of representation.

edited 16th May '17 10:37:44 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#189454: May 16th 2017 at 11:13:45 PM

The fringe left and Putin have a similar relationship to the hard right and Putin - Jill Stein is probably his alternative to Donald Trump, to reference Colbert.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#189455: May 16th 2017 at 11:50:24 PM

Jordon Chariton is such a piece of shit.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#189456: May 17th 2017 at 12:01:16 AM

Looking at that Twitter post's comment chain (yeah I know tongue)...man, it is so weird seeing TYT of all things being accused of being establishment.

[up]x4 They're probably just pissed she's not giving any of that money to Justice Democrats (nor should she given that they're morons trying to primary Manchin).

...Please tell me she's not raising money for Justice Democrats too. That would be a mistake.

edited 17th May '17 12:05:46 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#189457: May 17th 2017 at 12:38:56 AM

Nah. Hillary's smart enough to know Just Us Democrats are a sinking ship with their purity nonsense.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#189458: May 17th 2017 at 12:48:04 AM

[up] You mean Justice Democrats?

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#189459: May 17th 2017 at 12:55:18 AM

There is no mistake in what I said.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#189460: May 17th 2017 at 1:03:19 AM

Naruhodo.

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A procrastination in of itself
#189461: May 17th 2017 at 4:50:02 AM

Putin just said that he can give Congress a transcript of the meeting between Trump and Lavrov.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#189462: May 17th 2017 at 4:54:48 AM

Completely untampered with of course.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#189463: May 17th 2017 at 5:23:18 AM

It's the usual trap. Say "no" and the US is refusing to cooperate, say "yes" the US is a friend.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#189464: May 17th 2017 at 5:48:32 AM

Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC) has collapsed in DC during a race and was taken to a local hospital.

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#189465: May 17th 2017 at 6:07:11 AM

Bear in mind, when it comes to conservatism, it isn't really a coherent ideology. This isn't necessarily bad, as a lot of self-identified conservatives really are okay with advancement, they just want it slowly, but a ton of them don't land in that category. But people in the first category are generally pretty smart and are okay to work with.

The rest are the people who grew up in a certain area or ideology who don't like how they're being left behind so they'll do anything to prevent everyone else from moving on. This is why you get issues that one generation constantly screams about, but the next one straight up doesn't care. It's not because the next generation is better or anything, it's because they were raised to believe that it was a settled issue.

And of course, modern American conservatism was primarily defined by the Boomers, who arguably had it the best out of all the generations that still have surviving members. A lot of them want to drag the world back to where it was when they were starting out, but without the benefits and opportunities they had given to anyone else, because that would hurt their profits.

These people are nigh impossible to work with or even deal with properly because they'll feel slighted or offended if anything doesn't match their expectations.

Again, not every member of that generation was, but enough of them are that it's genuinely a problem.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#189467: May 17th 2017 at 7:32:41 AM

If true, that's bad. I'm still more interested to see if there's truth to him asking Comey to end the Flynn investigation, which is textbook obstruction of justice. A lot of experienced people and even some Republicans are saying that this could be the scandal that breaks the teflon orange.

Even Ryan wants Comey to speak to the House.

edited 17th May '17 7:42:10 AM by Rationalinsanity

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#189468: May 17th 2017 at 7:51:36 AM

Okay, you know what? I'm now okay with Pence taking the White House over Trump's impeached body. (I don't believe that there's currently an actual legal reason to impeach Pence, Ryan won't do it, and the Senate won't agree to a straight-up coup like that.)

It'd suck for LGBT people (who don't need another load of crap dumped on them) but an impeachment and conviction would set a strong precedent against populist authoritarianism (not that its supporters care about precedent, but its opponents do). #Dump Trump

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Lost in Space
#189469: May 17th 2017 at 7:52:34 AM

[up] Yeah. I truly think we're at that point now. President Pence could be reasoned with, at least.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#189470: May 17th 2017 at 7:53:59 AM

And, more important to me personally, he'd be a relatively more competent leader whatever other faults he has (such as the aforementioned LGBT wonking)

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#189471: May 17th 2017 at 7:56:11 AM

Pencd would actually listen to his advisors and read critical briefings. He can be trusted not to destroy decades of diplomatic efforts out of spite.

And his social conservative repression measures will be passed as long as the GOP runs Congress.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#189472: May 17th 2017 at 7:59:42 AM

Pence is just as bad as Trump, and in some ways worse. Lawful Evil is not really any better than General Failure, as lawful evil implies at least a marginal bit of competence, and if he becomes President, we still can't be tempted to stop fighting for the progress we've made.

[down][down] Exactly. I'm sure that each one of them has something on them. We just need to find it.

edited 17th May '17 8:11:07 AM by megaeliz

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#189473: May 17th 2017 at 8:03:03 AM

Of course the Dems need to keep resisting if Pence gets in, but they can rest slightly easier, especially when it comes to foreign policy.

edited 17th May '17 8:03:25 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#189474: May 17th 2017 at 8:04:44 AM

I saw we shouldn't make a move on Trump until we're sure Pence can go too. I want this entire administration to resign in disgrace.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#189475: May 17th 2017 at 8:08:43 AM

Refusing to go after Trump in fear of what Pence might do cannot be the decision the left comes to. You don't leave the authoritarian in power out of fear of his VP.


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