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DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#188976: May 15th 2017 at 6:46:46 AM

[up][up][up] Pretty sure that even slashing most of those will not be enough to reduce the defecit, and thus Reconciliation wouldn't work.

Supreme Court rejects North Carolina Voting Law Case, leaving the law illegal. So we can hope North Carolina will go Democrat in 2018.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#188977: May 15th 2017 at 6:56:28 AM

[up] I'm starting to wonder if the Hill GOP and the WH need to take remedial math classes. I'd also suggest Ethics courses, but that ship has probably already sailed.

edited 15th May '17 6:56:53 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
StarOutlaw Since: Nov, 2010
#188978: May 15th 2017 at 7:12:38 AM

I understand these warped perceptions of "manliness," you're all correct in your assessments. If a "man" isn't strong enough to impose his will and control, he feels immense shame. Pride prevents him from knowing humility (being humble that is). Homosexuality is hated becuase it's seen as choosing to be weak, like a woman. Really similar to the whole "cuck" BS, as well as the whole idea of victim blaming/shaming; if someone isn't strong enough to take care of/defend themselves, then they don't deserve any kind of positive interaction (like compassion).

So, what we end up with is a ton of "men" who basically attack anyone who is weaker than them, or in a lower status, to feel like they are in control, because they want to be the kings of their world. When some "other" proves to be uncontrollable or more successful than them, like a woman, they feel ashamed because it makes them think they are weaker/dumber. They can't accept that a woman or minority could possibly be better than what they believe them to be, and lash to prove their superiority. "Men" can't deal with the possibility of being inferior in some way, or even being equal. They must have someone to look down on so they don't have to look at their own failure.

EDIT: In fact, let me elaborate on this with a touch of my personal experience. At a couple of previous jobs I held, I'd help out my coworkers from time to time. While most appreciated my help, I could tell when some of them thought I was just being a sucker; my help could be seen as me being too weak willed to say no, or me being gullible, doing something for nothing in return. I did make it clear to these guys I could choose not to help if I didn't like them, and remind them of how much they had to rely on me.

Point is, it's an example of Evil Cannot Comprehend Good. Guys like these, "Great Men" and Randians and Trumps of the world, can't understand selflessness. That is how they see it as weakness, as there being something wrong with any man who tries to do actual good for others. These men fear lack of control, almost to paranoia. They are certain that everyone else is as awful as they are and feel they have to strike first. As tough as they like to act like they are, taking any kind of "hit" terrifies them, because of their own pride.

edited 15th May '17 7:28:27 AM by StarOutlaw

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#188979: May 15th 2017 at 7:25:47 AM

It's called "authoritarian personality disorder".

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#188980: May 15th 2017 at 7:26:21 AM

With all this talk about small government, I´m sort of surprised that no one brought up the Articles of Confederation. It´s probably one of the most effective arguments for a strong central government we have.

http://ushistoryscene.com/article/articles-of-confederation/

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/10-reasons-why-americas-first-constitution-failed

[down] That too

edited 15th May '17 7:32:49 AM by megaeliz

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#188981: May 15th 2017 at 7:27:59 AM

You'd think that whole Civil War incident would also be an argument for a strong federal government to...

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#188982: May 15th 2017 at 7:32:52 AM

Okay, so maybe Republicans need to take remedial history classes too.

And civics courses since they have clearly forgotten how to actually govern.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#188983: May 15th 2017 at 7:34:19 AM

[up][up]

Well I mean, from the neo-Confederate point of view a strong federal government is the reason they went to war so....

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#188984: May 15th 2017 at 7:39:16 AM

[up][up]And, all the courses should be engineered to appeal to Cluster B types. tongue

Because, seriously guys... the Republicans are full of (and staffed by) officially undiagnosed examples, yet definite examples they most certainly are. <_< (Do I really have to point at each of them and give a rough estimate on which conditions are likely and why? I'd be here until late evening just giving the broad outlines.)

edited 15th May '17 7:41:17 AM by Euodiachloris

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#188985: May 15th 2017 at 7:40:29 AM

Just look at how many of the House Reps were willing to vote for the AHCA without even fucking reading it.

I'm just going to make this observation: the way the AHCA was done ensured that no-one could read it - or debate it - in the time allotted. The only people who managed to do so, had to gather entire groups and portion it out to each other to read sections. The whistleblowers could barely do an initial skim read to get their first reactions out, and that was with the group delegation method, so it's not surprising that few people read it.

That's the bit you should be worried about: the intention to ensure the bill could not be read properly even by people who wanted to. As far as I can tell from quotes, the Senate has noticed that.

edited 15th May '17 7:42:14 AM by Wyldchyld

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#188986: May 15th 2017 at 7:48:31 AM

The Senate acting as the bulwark of sanity in our government is something that I would not have predicted, but may now be our salvation as a country.

edited 15th May '17 7:49:50 AM by Fighteer

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#188987: May 15th 2017 at 7:50:10 AM

[up][up]True, but I still think more Reps should have had the basic decency to say "Wait, we need more time to vote on something this important."

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#188988: May 15th 2017 at 8:08:44 AM

According to Joe Scarborough, of "The Morning Joe", Kellyanne Conway hates having to be a spin doctor for Trump. Supposedly, at least during the Campaign, she would spin her hardest for Trump, but when the Camera's were off her, she would complain about it and force herself to continue working for Trump.

That might be why she hasn't been heard from in months; She must've quit and the Trump team doesn't want to acknowledge it...

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#188989: May 15th 2017 at 8:14:02 AM

Sorry, Kellyanne, I have zero sympathy. You sacrificed your integrity for your career advancement; the consequences are on you.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#188990: May 15th 2017 at 8:17:33 AM

[up][up][up][up] I'vee felt the same about the Judicial Branch as they knock down Trump's worse Executive Orders.

edited 15th May '17 8:17:52 AM by sgamer82

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#188991: May 15th 2017 at 8:30:14 AM

[up]x6 Honest question: Didn't the same occur with Obamacare? I seem to remember someone said "We have to pass it before we see what's in it."

Not that what we know about the new AHCA seems like a suitable replacement, of course.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#188992: May 15th 2017 at 8:30:42 AM

It's called "authoritarian personality disorder".
It's a personality type, but I don't believe that it's a disorder. Though I could be wrong.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#188993: May 15th 2017 at 8:32:40 AM

@Fighteer: Same from me about Spicer allegedly having a bad time: he can quit working for Trump anytime. Better yet, quitting would give him a higher chance of ever finding a job again.

Edit: too many ninjas. Could ninjas please do their thing? None of us are bad enough dudes to want him back.

edited 15th May '17 8:34:09 AM by Medinoc

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#188994: May 15th 2017 at 8:42:23 AM

[up] re:ninja: If by wanting the ninja to "do their thing", you mean "infiltrate the White House and Congressional janitorial staff, spy on the relevant people, and then hand their findings over to the media and/or the alphabet agencies", I wholeheartedly agree. If you meant "kidnap and/or murder elected officials", that would just make things even worse.

Although, admittedly, I do sometimes wish the ninja had kept Ronnie.

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#188995: May 15th 2017 at 9:00:47 AM

Didn't the same occur with Obamacare? I seem to remember someone said "We have to pass it before we see what's in it."

If I've heard right, it was Pelosi and It Makes Sense in Context: she was talking about the House and the Senate having made different versions of the bill, and needing to see both to find a compromise.

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Lost in Space
#188996: May 15th 2017 at 9:02:32 AM

PPACA was in Congress for close to a year before its final vote. Anyone making the "people didn't have time to read it" comparison between that and AHCA is full of it.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
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#188997: May 15th 2017 at 9:09:43 AM

[up]x5: All personality types technically have a corresponding disorder (the main difference between a personality and a diagnosis tends to be "can this person function without help?").

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#188998: May 15th 2017 at 9:15:11 AM

[up]x3 Ah, thanks. Not the same situation, it seems.

edited 15th May '17 9:19:59 AM by speedyboris

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#188999: May 15th 2017 at 9:20:53 AM

[up][up] Yep. Like, someone can have authoritarian leanings and be perfectly functional. A good boss is like that, someone who won't take any crap, but stands up for their employees. Another element though is that the wrong environment can amplify a personality type into a disorder. There's something seriously wrong with the environment the GOP appears to foster, because while these issues show up everywhere across the political spectrum, they show up way too often there.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#189000: May 15th 2017 at 9:21:44 AM

The Senate acting as the bulwark of sanity in our government is something that I would not have predicted, but may now be our salvation as a country.

That was its intended purpose. The Founders had read their Plato and Aristotle and knew their Greek and Roman history, and long, staggered terms (and originally, indirect election) were meant to be a way to prevent populist strongmen from turning democracy into tyranny.


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