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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#188801: May 13th 2017 at 4:17:10 PM

[up]I don't know enough on the matter to say whether or not Obama's policies were reasonable. On deportation I have nothing against violent criminals being deported, otherwise the undocumented immigrants who don't hurt others should be given a path to citizenship so they can step out of shadows and be properly productive people.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#188802: May 13th 2017 at 4:34:16 PM

County that voted for no taxes is suffering for it

Naturally, it went bigly for Trump. Libraries are shut down the sheriff;s office isn't run around the clock

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#188803: May 13th 2017 at 4:42:52 PM

Huh, I missed the troll, ok.

[up][up][up] I would personally find deportation valid when talking about non-citizens or permanent residents convicted of a serious crime after a fair trial*, or if they're being searched for trial in their country of origin (and the penalty isn't death). But that's a moral position rather than a legal one.

*Understanding serious as "would result in jail-time" (so murder, rape, assault, theft, fraud, etc), and assuming no laws made to criminalize being an immigrant, also, getting in illegally is not considered a crime for the sake of this if you succeed, getting caught trying to cross means getting sent back.

edited 13th May '17 4:48:57 PM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#188804: May 13th 2017 at 4:43:03 PM

[up][up]Could you not sensationalize titles? But still, point taken.

edited 13th May '17 4:43:21 PM by LSBK

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#188805: May 13th 2017 at 5:52:14 PM

Do those people realize that taxes are how a government gets the money to run its services? Or do they think taxes are just because they're a bunch of meanies?

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#188806: May 13th 2017 at 5:53:17 PM

[quote] The 2018 midterms are looking favorable thus far. If things work out there it may be a good sign for 2020. Then again, it didn't do the GOP much good in 2012, so maybe I'm being optimistic. [/quote]

Yeah, I think that is optimistic. Media and people in general don't care a quarter as much about the mid-terms as they do the 4 year election.

edited 13th May '17 5:53:33 PM by Wildcard

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#188807: May 13th 2017 at 5:57:20 PM

[up][up]As that article noted, they don't think of taxes individually. It's all a big group of waste and fraud and all those other nonsense talking points.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#188808: May 13th 2017 at 5:57:27 PM

[up][up]Projections already shown Dem gains, and how most people want the Dems to take the House back.

My issue is less with it being able to happen, and more keeping it in the public's mind. Though that seems like it's going to happen, either because Dems are actually being good about it, or because this just pissed that many people off.

Still, a year and half is a long time. I can get being cautiously optimistic, with emphasis on "cautiously" there.

[up]A large part of it is being convinced that taxes are a waste because they're mismanaged or misappropriate. Which in itself isn't an invalid point, but has obviously been pushed way too far for many people.

edited 13th May '17 6:02:19 PM by LSBK

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#188809: May 13th 2017 at 6:00:17 PM

[up] Agreed; not only do Independents and those that lean Republicans need to vote Democrat in 2018 (and we need to keep pressure on the lean Republicans), Democrats need to come out in droves and vote, Voter Intimidation and Suppression be damned. That is utmost important.

pblades Since: Oct, 2009
#188810: May 13th 2017 at 6:05:17 PM

re: troll I think it'd be better if only one person at a time responds to challenges. In this case it's bait, but maybe there's a legitimate person with opposing opinion who would come see in if they weren't scared of being piled on.

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#188811: May 13th 2017 at 6:06:42 PM

@ the tax-free county: I'm reminded of Robert A Heinlein's depiction of Lunar society in his various novels. True, there were no taxes, but you still had to pay for services on an as-needed basis. And pay, and pay, and pay... which turned out to be even more annoying than having to fill out tax forms once a year, because the providers of said services became extremely mercenary in their outlook.

edited 13th May '17 6:13:57 PM by pwiegle

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IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#188812: May 13th 2017 at 6:11:59 PM

[up][up]Yeah, I agree.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#188813: May 13th 2017 at 6:17:00 PM

I don't know, it's been said a few times that legitimately supporting Trump is tantamount to expressing views that would get you banned. I don't totally agree with that, and it does sort of reinforce the echo-chamber, but it's been brought up more than once.

edited 13th May '17 6:17:44 PM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#188814: May 13th 2017 at 6:20:24 PM

@pwiegle: Sounds very Rapture-esque.

PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#188815: May 13th 2017 at 6:40:22 PM

[up][up] Perhaps it is harsh, but how do we reconcile people with such views with our rules and guidelines?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#188816: May 13th 2017 at 6:43:08 PM

[up]Even putting Trump aside, when several people here characterize anyone who is willing to vote Republican at all, regardless of reasoning as a terrible person, why would any of them want to come here.

Of course, that's not everyone, as that's a frequent point of contention, but it happens enough that I get why otherwise "moderate" Republicans would be turned off by discussion here, besides just disagree with politics.

Of course, again, that's hardly something unique to these forums.

edited 13th May '17 6:44:59 PM by LSBK

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#188817: May 13th 2017 at 6:51:56 PM

"CNN (Communist News Network)"

After maduro kicked CNN out of my country venezuela(on of the reddest place of the earth) I can do nothing but laught at this, you damn gringos dosent have a clue of what a hard left is.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#188818: May 13th 2017 at 6:58:02 PM

Caitlyn Jenner is "upset with Trump", may join politics as a Republican anyway.

"I want to know where can I do a better job for my community, in bringing the Republican Party around when it comes to all LGBT issues.

Undoubtedly this will validate some people's theories here that Trump voters are temporarily embarrassed angels.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#188819: May 13th 2017 at 6:58:05 PM

Dont be optimistic, take action.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#188820: May 13th 2017 at 6:58:42 PM

We had something like that under the Articles of Confederation. It was not mandatory for the states to pay taxes to the fedral government, essentially crippling it.

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#188821: May 13th 2017 at 7:02:47 PM

On deportation I have nothing against violent criminals being deported, otherwise the undocumented immigrants who don't hurt others should be given a path to citizenship so they can step out of shadows and be properly productive people.
Way late to this—but I would like to add this. Ex-cons are already heavily othered (from losing voting rights to the checkbox on every job application) while criminal in general carries about the same connotations as "orcs", public consciousness already conflates undocumented immigrant and criminal, and any immigrant at some point is our responsibility. (This last one at least being pure opinion).
I would just narrow the criminal exception to those who came solely to set up logistics for organized crime or some other pattern of crime that clearly proves said people aren't here to settle down and build a life. (What qualifies? Er, I don't know besides the organized crime thing).

[down]It was probably an accident. I, at least, thought my response would come right after his not 8 posts down the line.

edited 13th May '17 7:36:07 PM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#188822: May 13th 2017 at 7:32:32 PM

Yeah, I'm going to second LSBK's post from the bottom of last page, at the very least let's try to debate in good faith, without dogpiling any new guys for the sake of trying to convince lurkers who may be on the fence.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#188823: May 13th 2017 at 7:34:52 PM

I'd think figures likes Caitlyn Jenner inside the Republican Party machine are in the end a good, if even the most virulent backwards party allows a trans person to run from their platform it tells us that it isn't an impediment anymore to be trans. Whether she is a good candidate in particular is up for debate. She might be a Sarah Palin most likely, but I'd hope for a Schwarzenegger.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#188824: May 13th 2017 at 7:45:33 PM

[up]Hardly, check her twitter feed. She gets called awful things by her "base" all the time. Plus, she is just another 'Fuck you, got mine" person, as long as her personal issue is okay she doesn't care who else the GOP tries to destroy.

I mean they'll just bring her out as a prop to go "were not homophobes for REALZ" which makes it worse because people will buy it.

edited 13th May '17 7:46:46 PM by Wildcard

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#188825: May 13th 2017 at 8:03:38 PM

Sometimes, I do worry that this thread is an echo chamber and people like me make it that way.

Do not obey in advance.

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