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ConstipatedWaffle For The Most Ridley-culous Cause from The Edge Of Insanity Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
For The Most Ridley-culous Cause
#188776: May 13th 2017 at 2:52:12 PM

This troper also mentioned that the Earth was flat in another thread recently so yeah I'm like 90% sure they're a troll. Or horribly misinformed.

"And kung fu is a terrible way to run a company" - alliterator
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#188777: May 13th 2017 at 2:53:12 PM

[up] yep. He screams troll. Anyway, any news on the ACLU or on comey?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#188779: May 13th 2017 at 2:54:49 PM

Biggest Comey news is still that he'll only testify publicly.

For ACLU I found this dated today:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/13/us/aclu-mississippi-police-force/

ACLU sues Mississippi sheriff over alleged excessive force, racial profiling

edited 13th May '17 2:56:02 PM by sgamer82

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#188780: May 13th 2017 at 2:55:18 PM

So, Trump has been outright lying on several subjects when it comes to international trade and economics; most notably the US being the most taxed nation on Earth (ha!!!) and the trade deficit with Canada (there is one, but it is clearly in the favor of the US. But we are the ones cheating America. Fuck off Donald.). This in addition to the prime the pump gaffe.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/trump-fact-check-1.4111913

How are we supposed to reopen NAFTA when one party won't talk in good faith?

edited 13th May '17 2:55:40 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#188781: May 13th 2017 at 2:55:57 PM

edited 13th May '17 3:08:27 PM by MadSkillz

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#188782: May 13th 2017 at 2:56:42 PM

The Problem, Lunar, is that, even if you're not a troll, you are acting exactly like one. You state a controversial opinion, knowing full well the anger it will cause, and instead of backing it up, you just say "lol u got mad" like a Troll. It would be one thing if you actually, honestly believe in Trump and his ideals (no matter how horrid they might be), but you have not backed up even one of your claims of support for Trump.

And the excuse of "Oh, no matter what I say, I won't change minds" is a bull excuse; if you aren't trying to change people's minds, why even bother talking about Politics?

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#188783: May 13th 2017 at 2:56:58 PM

Uh oh guys do not get to mad and break your computers evil grinevil grinevil grin. I am not a troll by the way. Its just pointless to debate brick walls.

Riiiiiiiiight.

Also, since there are plenty of Tropers here who aren't American there are quite a lot of us falling under several definitions of liberal instead of the US perception of what liberal is or means.

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Trump lies faster than you can fact check picture is truly a representative of his character.

edited 13th May '17 2:58:47 PM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#188784: May 13th 2017 at 2:58:38 PM

For all the spats that go on here, such as (as first one that comes to mind) the frequent back and forths between Ambar and MadSkillz, both sides are at least usually arguing in good faith and providing sources for their arguments via news links and the like.

It's honestly one of the things I like with this thread, even if it does get a bit Echo Chambery at times.

edited 13th May '17 2:59:14 PM by sgamer82

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#188785: May 13th 2017 at 2:59:39 PM

[up][up][up][up]Now now, no need to get personal.

[up][up]Not to mention at least one conservative (and maybe some varying degrees of libertarians I think?), who pop in every once in a while and are at least able to explain their viewpoints.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#188786: May 13th 2017 at 3:01:53 PM

@Lunar: Assuming you're even still watching this thread, how about we try something that might be at least somewhat productive; try to list some redeeming/good qualities or moments about people in politics we really don't like.

In regards to Trump, there was that moment at the GOP convention when he gave a line about standing up for LGBTQ Americans, the crowd cheers, and he said "You know, as a Republican, I am so glad to hear you all cheering for that."

That's probably the only moment I felt anything approaching respect for him. If moments like that were the norm, I wouldn't be nearly as worried as I am now about the Trump administration. Care to reciprocate?

edited 13th May '17 3:05:48 PM by CaptainCapsase

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#188787: May 13th 2017 at 3:07:10 PM

Guys, Ambar's right.

Stop feeding the troll.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#188788: May 13th 2017 at 3:09:37 PM

No worries. I sent my holler and stopped directly responding at "throwing rocks at the beehive" (which has since been thumped).

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#188789: May 13th 2017 at 3:16:34 PM

I've reported the rest of his comments for the combination of trolling and conspiratorial "the press is lying" nonsense.

Something I would add by the way—I don't think we should assume he's "just" a troll. After all, if there's one thing this election nicely demonstrated it's that Trump's fanbase (at least online) is made up, in large part, of trolls, who elected Trump solely so they could look at leftists and say "u mad bro?"

I honestly miss the 2012 election. Mitt Romney had his fair share of trolls out there, but he also had people who could mount at least a pretense of a defence for his policies. I've yet to meet a Trump voter who could.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#188790: May 13th 2017 at 3:21:05 PM

He may be right about one thing though...I am not optimistic about the 2020 election. America or at least enough of a minority to win an election really is that bad. I know you guys have no reason to believe me and I was worried come the election but I was the only in my family that thought Trump would win.

We elected an actor, now a reality show star. As long as he says (or implies) "I will put minorities back in their place and they deserve it!" and look "good" on TV than a huge segment of the nation will vote for him.

edited 13th May '17 3:44:31 PM by Wildcard

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#188791: May 13th 2017 at 3:28:14 PM

The 2018 midterms are looking favorable thus far. If things work out there it may be a good sign for 2020. Then again, it didn't do the GOP much good in 2012, so maybe I'm being optimistic.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#188792: May 13th 2017 at 3:33:52 PM

There's something I've been meaning to ask: what does it mean when someone puts multiple parentheses around a word?

Do not obey in advance.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#188793: May 13th 2017 at 3:36:10 PM

[up] Those are known as echo quotes. They're getting used ironically more and more these days, but at least originally they were put around a name to denote somebody as part of the alleged Jewish new world order conspiracy, ie (((Soros))). It's as idiotic as it sounds by the way.

edited 13th May '17 3:36:21 PM by CaptainCapsase

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#188794: May 13th 2017 at 3:36:43 PM

Oh. I figured it was something along those lines.

Do not obey in advance.
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#188795: May 13th 2017 at 3:36:43 PM

They're associating it with Jews and some big conspiracy we're apparently behind.

[nja]

edited 13th May '17 3:37:03 PM by smokeycut

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#188796: May 13th 2017 at 3:38:09 PM

[up][up][up]I believe the thing got started by /pol/ (or reddit?) putting them around people's names (in tweets), to show how Jewish names (and thus influence) "echo" across history.

Because calling people "shekelstein" was not subtle enough.

He may be right about one thing though...I am not optimistic about the 2020 election. America or at least enough of a minority to win an election really is that bad. I know you guys have no reason to believe me and I was worried come the election but I was the only in my family that thought Trump would win. We elected an actor, now a reality show star. As long as he, (or implies) says "I will put minorities back in their place and they deserve it!" and look "good" on TV than a huge segment of the nation will vote for him.
It's a very valid concern. But Democrats don't need to flip even remotely all Trump voters, and if things continue at the rate they're going, Democrats have a very clear direction: "What has he spent the last 4 years doing? Helping you? Or himself?"

Now, as we have just seen, there are plenty of people who believe Trump "winning" is all that matters; that his personal victories must mean that the state of the country is improving, and I don't see Democrats ever winning them over.

But there are people who don't project so strongly on him and have different priorities. For example, in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and across Republican-controlled states, they are essentially demanding the re-industrialization of rural America. An exceptional challenge for anybody, but especially this moron.

edited 13th May '17 3:43:10 PM by Eschaton

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#188797: May 13th 2017 at 3:44:04 PM

[up] It originated from some wacko's comic strip which put the names of Jewish characters in echos.

"The inner parenthesis represent the Jews' subversion of the home [and] destruction of the family through mass-media degeneracy. The next [parenthesis] represents the destruction of the nation through mass immigration, and the outer [parenthesis] represents international Jewry and world Zionism."

That is literally how the person who originated this particular meme described it.

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#188798: May 13th 2017 at 3:52:46 PM

Keep in mind that some people are attempting to dilute its use. if you see someone putting echoes around THEIR name it's not a nazi thing. Using it as a pejorative around another's name is.

"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#188799: May 13th 2017 at 3:56:16 PM

[up] As I said it's being used ironically more and more these days.

PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#188800: May 13th 2017 at 3:57:06 PM

I feel a great darkness has come and gone from this thread, a nameless evil that will be forever forgotten...

So, I have a couple of question about deportation for you people, for I value your insight, even those I might have slight disagreement with:

When, if ever, is deportation justified and was Obama's policies on the matter reasonable?


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