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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Don't get into paranoid conspiracy theories just yet. What we know is the Trump Administration colluded with the Russian Government. What I think we're seeing with most of the other Republicans however, is that they are cowards or opportunists, not necessarily traitors.
edited 11th May '17 6:06:18 PM by megaeliz
Yes, I'm aware. It's mostly why I can't really get behind it. All in all, it's probably better to try and render Trump impotent and let him be his own downfall, than to hand it over to Pence, who seems more sensible and thus more people would be willing to work with (or be more likely to be punished for not working with).
Again, assuming it was possible in the first place.
edited 11th May '17 6:23:06 PM by TrashJack
"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's DictionaryAs they ate, the president and Mr. Comey made small talk about the election and the crowd sizes at Mr. Trump’s rallies. The president then turned the conversation to whether Mr. Comey would pledge his loyalty to him.
Mr. Comey declined to make that pledge. Instead, Mr. Comey has recounted to others, he told Mr. Trump that he would always be honest with him, but that he was not “reliable” in the conventional political sense.
The White House on Wednesday said this account is not correct. And Mr. Trump, in an interview on Thursday with NBC, described a far different dinner conversation with Mr. Comey in which the director asked to have the meeting and the question of loyalty never came up. It was not clear whether he was talking about the same meal, but they are believed to have had only one dinner together.
By Mr. Comey’s account, his answer to Mr. Trump’s initial question apparently did not satisfy the president, the associates said. Later in the dinner, Mr. Trump again said to Mr. Comey that he needed his loyalty.
M Mr. Comey again replied that he would give him “honesty” and did not pledge his loyalty, according to the account of the conversation.'
But Mr. Trump pressed him on whether it would be “honest loyalty.”
“You will have that,” Mr. Comey told his associates that he responded.
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Mr. Comey described details of his refusal to pledge his loyalty to Mr. Trump to several people close to him on the condition that they not discuss it publicly while he was F.B.I. director. But now that Mr. Comey has been fired, they felt free to discuss it on the condition of anonymity.
Trump thinks he's a king/Mafia Boss.
Trump is literally the worst stereotypes of America given form.
edited 11th May '17 6:27:13 PM by MadSkillz
The Justice Democrats are so desperate for validation that they'll latch on to anyone who pays them lip service, regardless of their actual credentials or background. Possibly because, as Mad and Cap have claimed, they aren't actually that relevant. Beggars can't be choosers, I guess.
Khanna is taking those suckers to the cleaners and laughing all the way to the bank.
Disgusted, but not surprised
x4 I think being chaotic is already covered by being stupid. But Stupid Evil really is his essence.
edited 11th May '17 6:29:07 PM by TropesForever
thebeatles.com/careersWe've already got Pence. Pence is the VP, and the only check on his agenda is having to pass it by Trump's tiny attention span, which is no check whatsoever. Whatever terrible shit you're afraid of Pence doing in the next four years if he were President, odds are he's going to be able to accomplish as VP anyway. Keeping Pence out of power is a worthless consideration among the consequences of impeaching Trump, because it's too late for that; he's already there.
In fact, "promoting" him to President by impeaching Trump could actually be a bigger check on his power than allowing him to remain VP, as his skullduggary won't be hidden behind a constant avalanche of Trump's scandals and insane bullshit, and he most certainly doesn't have Trump's teflon coating of twisted "charisma."
Even without that, Trump in and of himself is such a danger to... literally everyone... that the notion that it would better to leave him in office to improve the Dem's chances in 2020 is utterly heinous. Trump is a clear and present danger to not just Americans, but the world. His fragile ego, hair trigger temper, and absolute willful ignorance make leaving him in control for an instant longer than we have to isn't worth any margin of voters that might swing blue if we let him destroy enough.
I think his presidency thus far should have taught all of us that you can't count on maintaining Trump's ear or him being receptive to you. If he thinks you're trying to order him around, or he thinks, people think you're ordering him around, you're probably not going to find yourself in a good place with him.
edited 11th May '17 6:36:42 PM by LSBK
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Somebody should spread some #President Pence on twitter.
edited 11th May '17 6:33:31 PM by nightwyrm_zero
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maybe it will get Trump to demote him.
Trump's approval rating. Is down to 36 percent.
Did this come up already? Pelosi threatens to force vote on outside Russia probe
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/332840-pelosi-threatens-to-force-vote-on-outside-russia-probe
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edited 11th May '17 6:43:33 PM by megaeliz
If impeachment becomes a possibility, of course he should be impeached. Otherwise the message every future President will take is that they can engage in "Trump Level" misdeeds and there will be no accountability. Now, while impeachment may become possible if the Dems take the House in '18, actual conviction remains unlikely unless they can take the Senate as well. However, AFAIK, if a person commits a crime before they take office, they can be convicted after they leave office. If Trump is guilty of colluding with the Russians during the campaign, he is still liable for that once he becomes a private citizen again.
Unless the next president after Trump pardons him, a la Nixon. If that president is a Democrat, that isnt very likely.
edited 11th May '17 6:41:35 PM by DeMarquis
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.Trump needs to be impeached because the symbolism of it is important. It will show the rest of the world and history that we didn't put up with his shit. Even if we end up with Pence, Pence wasn't the one that Trump voters voted for, it was Trump. Getting rid of Trump would humble the GOP to some degree, which is something that needs to happen as well. If Trump serves out his term, the narrative can be shaped in his favor and the ideologies that supported him will continue to thrive.
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It'll either humble them, or drive them even further off the edge and start nominating out and out White Supremacists that don't give a crap about anything other then White Power.
Remember, Nixon's Scandal and Resignation lead to Reagan, who's Neoconservative Faction was at best a Fringe of the Republican Party, essentially taking over the party and reshaping it. The Republicans already voted a White Supremacist in all but Name, they can get even crazier.
The only positive about going crazier would be making them become even more fringe...
I also 2nd the Importance of the Symbolism.
edited 11th May '17 6:51:05 PM by DingoWalley1

Honestly, every day gets more ridiculous. Are any of the intelligence agencies going to act? Or are we stuck with this guy for the full term?
Also, I'm pretty sure almost every republican in congress and most of the democrats are compromised. The justice democrat faction in particular stinks of being funded by Russia.