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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#188451: May 11th 2017 at 5:56:28 PM

Honestly, every day gets more ridiculous. Are any of the intelligence agencies going to act? Or are we stuck with this guy for the full term?

Also, I'm pretty sure almost every republican in congress and most of the democrats are compromised. The justice democrat faction in particular stinks of being funded by Russia.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#188452: May 11th 2017 at 6:02:36 PM

[up]Don't get into paranoid conspiracy theories just yet. What we know is the Trump Administration colluded with the Russian Government. What I think we're seeing with most of the other Republicans however, is that they are cowards or opportunists, not necessarily traitors.

edited 11th May '17 6:06:18 PM by megaeliz

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#188453: May 11th 2017 at 6:06:07 PM

And where do most Democrats come in? Because they aren't screaming for impeachment?

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#188454: May 11th 2017 at 6:10:29 PM

[up]We are stuck in between a rock and a hard place with impeachment, if we impeach Trump, we get Pence. That just means we start going after him, but the problem is that he is semi-competent.

edited 11th May '17 6:13:49 PM by megaeliz

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#188455: May 11th 2017 at 6:12:58 PM

[up]Yes, I'm aware. It's mostly why I can't really get behind it. All in all, it's probably better to try and render Trump impotent and let him be his own downfall, than to hand it over to Pence, who seems more sensible and thus more people would be willing to work with (or be more likely to be punished for not working with).

Again, assuming it was possible in the first place.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#188456: May 11th 2017 at 6:16:51 PM

@LSBK When Gabbard said this, she actually had a point.

edited 11th May '17 6:17:35 PM by MadSkillz

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#188457: May 11th 2017 at 6:17:20 PM

[up][up]Exactly. Trump is Chaotic Stupid, which gives us an advantage.

[down]And that is the downside.

edited 11th May '17 6:24:09 PM by megaeliz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#188458: May 11th 2017 at 6:21:24 PM

[up] Him being Chaotic Stupid OTOH also makes him a ticking time bomb in foreign policy.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#188459: May 11th 2017 at 6:22:50 PM

[up][up] Chaotic Stupid Evil

edited 11th May '17 6:23:06 PM by TrashJack

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#188460: May 11th 2017 at 6:24:30 PM

In any case, the GOP is too spineless and corrupt to impeach anyways. You're more likely to have Trump die via stroke from getting too angry at the constant media attacks.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#188461: May 11th 2017 at 6:24:48 PM

The conversation that night in January, Mr. Comey now believes, was a harbinger of his downfall this week as head of the F.B.I., according to two people who have heard his account of the dinner.

As they ate, the president and Mr. Comey made small talk about the election and the crowd sizes at Mr. Trump’s rallies. The president then turned the conversation to whether Mr. Comey would pledge his loyalty to him.

Mr. Comey declined to make that pledge. Instead, Mr. Comey has recounted to others, he told Mr. Trump that he would always be honest with him, but that he was not “reliable” in the conventional political sense.

The White House on Wednesday said this account is not correct. And Mr. Trump, in an interview on Thursday with NBC, described a far different dinner conversation with Mr. Comey in which the director asked to have the meeting and the question of loyalty never came up. It was not clear whether he was talking about the same meal, but they are believed to have had only one dinner together.

By Mr. Comey’s account, his answer to Mr. Trump’s initial question apparently did not satisfy the president, the associates said. Later in the dinner, Mr. Trump again said to Mr. Comey that he needed his loyalty.

M Mr. Comey again replied that he would give him “honesty” and did not pledge his loyalty, according to the account of the conversation.'

But Mr. Trump pressed him on whether it would be “honest loyalty.”

“You will have that,” Mr. Comey told his associates that he responded.

....

Mr. Comey described details of his refusal to pledge his loyalty to Mr. Trump to several people close to him on the condition that they not discuss it publicly while he was F.B.I. director. But now that Mr. Comey has been fired, they felt free to discuss it on the condition of anonymity.

Trump thinks he's a king/Mafia Boss.

Trump is literally the worst stereotypes of America given form.

This is who Trump is.

edited 11th May '17 6:27:13 PM by MadSkillz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#188462: May 11th 2017 at 6:27:51 PM

The Justice Democrats are so desperate for validation that they'll latch on to anyone who pays them lip service, regardless of their actual credentials or background. Possibly because, as Mad and Cap have claimed, they aren't actually that relevant. Beggars can't be choosers, I guess.

Khanna is taking those suckers to the cleaners and laughing all the way to the bank.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TropesForever God forbid women do anything from wait where is she Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
God forbid women do anything
#188463: May 11th 2017 at 6:28:41 PM

[up]x4 I think being chaotic is already covered by being stupid. But Stupid Evil really is his essence.

edited 11th May '17 6:29:07 PM by TropesForever

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Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#188464: May 11th 2017 at 6:28:45 PM

We've already got Pence. Pence is the VP, and the only check on his agenda is having to pass it by Trump's tiny attention span, which is no check whatsoever. Whatever terrible shit you're afraid of Pence doing in the next four years if he were President, odds are he's going to be able to accomplish as VP anyway. Keeping Pence out of power is a worthless consideration among the consequences of impeaching Trump, because it's too late for that; he's already there.

In fact, "promoting" him to President by impeaching Trump could actually be a bigger check on his power than allowing him to remain VP, as his skullduggary won't be hidden behind a constant avalanche of Trump's scandals and insane bullshit, and he most certainly doesn't have Trump's teflon coating of twisted "charisma."

Even without that, Trump in and of himself is such a danger to... literally everyone... that the notion that it would better to leave him in office to improve the Dem's chances in 2020 is utterly heinous. Trump is a clear and present danger to not just Americans, but the world. His fragile ego, hair trigger temper, and absolute willful ignorance make leaving him in control for an instant longer than we have to isn't worth any margin of voters that might swing blue if we let him destroy enough.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#188465: May 11th 2017 at 6:31:36 PM

I think his presidency thus far should have taught all of us that you can't count on maintaining Trump's ear or him being receptive to you. If he thinks you're trying to order him around, or he thinks, people think you're ordering him around, you're probably not going to find yourself in a good place with him.

edited 11th May '17 6:36:42 PM by LSBK

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#188466: May 11th 2017 at 6:32:54 PM

@M84 I'd actually get a little nervous now. Ro Khana legitimizes them and makes them that much closer to being relevant.

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#188467: May 11th 2017 at 6:33:16 PM

[up][up]Somebody should spread some #President Pence on twitter.

edited 11th May '17 6:33:31 PM by nightwyrm_zero

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#188468: May 11th 2017 at 6:35:11 PM

[up][up] Which is why they are willing to latch on to someone who takes so much donor money from the financial industry despite their supposed principles.

Disgusted, but not surprised
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#188469: May 11th 2017 at 6:37:26 PM

[up][up]maybe it will get Trump to demote him.

Trump's approval rating. Is down to 36 percent.

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/332787-poll-trumps-approval-ratings-among-voters-near-record-lows?amp

Did this come up already? Pelosi threatens to force vote on outside Russia probe

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/332840-pelosi-threatens-to-force-vote-on-outside-russia-probe?

edited 11th May '17 6:43:33 PM by megaeliz

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#188470: May 11th 2017 at 6:40:28 PM

If impeachment becomes a possibility, of course he should be impeached. Otherwise the message every future President will take is that they can engage in "Trump Level" misdeeds and there will be no accountability. Now, while impeachment may become possible if the Dems take the House in '18, actual conviction remains unlikely unless they can take the Senate as well. However, AFAIK, if a person commits a crime before they take office, they can be convicted after they leave office. If Trump is guilty of colluding with the Russians during the campaign, he is still liable for that once he becomes a private citizen again.

Unless the next president after Trump pardons him, a la Nixon. If that president is a Democrat, that isnt very likely.

edited 11th May '17 6:41:35 PM by DeMarquis

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
StarOutlaw Since: Nov, 2010
#188471: May 11th 2017 at 6:47:40 PM

Trump needs to be impeached because the symbolism of it is important. It will show the rest of the world and history that we didn't put up with his shit. Even if we end up with Pence, Pence wasn't the one that Trump voters voted for, it was Trump. Getting rid of Trump would humble the GOP to some degree, which is something that needs to happen as well. If Trump serves out his term, the narrative can be shaped in his favor and the ideologies that supported him will continue to thrive.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#188472: May 11th 2017 at 6:49:09 PM

He likely will serve out his term, but he can still be held accountable nevertheless.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#188473: May 11th 2017 at 6:49:54 PM

Plus, symbolism is one of the few things Trump actually understands, and getting to boil his blood by barraging his twitter with "You're Fired" memes would be some sweet catharsis.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#188474: May 11th 2017 at 6:50:36 PM

[up][up][up] It'll either humble them, or drive them even further off the edge and start nominating out and out White Supremacists that don't give a crap about anything other then White Power.

Remember, Nixon's Scandal and Resignation lead to Reagan, who's Neoconservative Faction was at best a Fringe of the Republican Party, essentially taking over the party and reshaping it. The Republicans already voted a White Supremacist in all but Name, they can get even crazier.

The only positive about going crazier would be making them become even more fringe...

I also 2nd the Importance of the Symbolism.

edited 11th May '17 6:51:05 PM by DingoWalley1

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#188475: May 11th 2017 at 6:54:25 PM

My point wasn't that Trump shouldn't be impeached/prosecuted if it's warranted and possible, just that people shouldn't act like that's a fix to all the current problems, and act like the Democrats are stooges for not trying it when they probably can't pull it off.


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