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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Like...bruh. Never mind the fact that you're using polling THREE FUCKING YEARS before the Primary.
At one point, Hillary Clinton was the most popular politician in the country, and guess the fuck what? Systematically they eroded her favorability by Fox News, Fake News from Russia, and morons on the left trying to discredit her.
These idiots claim to be in the "know" and we have to fight the establishment, but can't get their own head out of their ass to see the extremely flawed logic of using polls to determine who'd be the best frontrunner in 2020.
New Survey coming this weekend!Double post for topic change:
Because Puerto Rico isn't in enough shit...it turns out they might actually be drinking literal shit.
Their drinking water is basically a cesspool for bacteria that isn't tested for lead contamination. Like, at all. For all we know Flint tap water is Catskills Mountain spring water compared to Puerto Rico's tapwater.
This is of course happening in a time when the government of Puerto Rico might tack on even more austerity measures in a half-assed attempt to salvage their economy.
BTW, nobody has any fucking clue how to even begin to solve the debt crisis.
edited 11th May '17 3:53:11 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedThe only reason why Bernie Sanders is so popular is because the Russian bots systematically hyped him up in order to damage Hillary. If he had been the candidate, they would have eviscerated him with no problems whatsoever, since he isn't really a Democrat, but someone who is using the Party for his own platform (pretty much like Trump did with the Republicans).
Also, I read this in the comment section of the Guardian and felt that it needed some proper attention:
It's hard for to see any U.S. ties to Russia…except for
the Flynn thing and the Manafort thing and
the Tillerson thing and
the Sessions thing and
the Kushner thing and
the Carter Page thing and
the Roger Stone thing and
the Felix Sater thing and
the Boris Ephsteyn thing and
the Rosneft thing and
the Gazprom thing and
the Sergey Gorkov banker thing and
the Azerbajain thing and
the “I love Putin” thing and
the Donald Trump, Jr. thing and
the Sergey Kislyak thing and
the Russian Affiliated Interests thing and
the Russian Business Interests thing and
the Emoluments Clause thing and
the Alex Schnaider thing and
the hack of the DNC thing and
the Guccifer 2.0 thing and
the Mike Pence “I don’t know anything” thing and
the Russians mysteriously dying thing and
the Trump’s public request to Russia to hack Hillary’s email thing and
the Trump house sale for $100 million at the bottom of the housing bust to the Russian fertilizer king thing and
the Russian fertilizer king’s plane showing up in Concord, NC during Trump rally campaign thing and
the Nunes sudden flight to the White House in the night thing and the Nunes personal investments in the Russian winery thing and
the Cyprus bank thing and
the Trump not releasing his tax returns thing and
the Republican Party’s rejection of an amendment to require Trump to show his taxes thing and
the election hacking thing and
the GOP platform change to the Ukraine thing and
the Steele Dossier thing and
the Leninist Bannon thing and
the Sally Yates can’t testify thing and
the intelligence community’s investigative reports thing and
the Trump reassurance that the Russian connection is all “fake news” thing and
the Spicer’s Russian Dressing “nothing’s wrong” thing and
the Chaffetz not willing to start an investigation thing and
the Chaffetz suddenly deciding to go back to private life in the middle of an investigation thing and
the The Lead DOJ Investigator Mary Mc Cord SUDDENLY in the middle of the investigation decides to resign thing and
the appointment of Pam Bondi who was bribed by trump in the trump university scandal appointed to head the investigation thing and
the The White House going into full-on cover-up mode, refusing to turn over the documents related to the hiring and subsequent firing of Flynn thing and
the Chaffetz and White House blaming the poor vetting of Flynn on Obama thing and the Poland and British intelligence gave information regarding the hacking back in 2015 to Paul Ryan and he didn't do anything thing and
the Agent M16 following the money thing and
the trump team KNEW about Flynn's involvement but hired him anyway thing and
the Corey Lewendowski thing and
the Preet Bharara firing thing but before he left he transferred evidence against trump to a state level Schneiderman thing and
the Betsy Devos' Brother thing and
the Sebastian Gorka thing and
the Greg Gianforte from Montana thing and
the pence actually was warned about Flynn before he was hired thing and
the Pence and Manafort connection thing and
the 7 Allies coming forward with audio where trump was picked up in incidental wire tapping thing and
the carter Page defying the Senate's order to hand over his Russian contact list AND NOW the trump wants to VETO Sally Yates' testimony thing!!!
SO yeah there’s probably nothing there!
edited 11th May '17 4:11:21 AM by Swanpride
Eeeeeh, that's not really true. Russia stopped caring about Bernie after he lost the primary.
Sanders gained a lot more popularity after the primary and general election. Plus some people actually like that he isn't a Democrat.
This election favored "an outsider".
edited 11th May '17 4:16:34 AM by MadSkillz
Nope, I read an article according to which the Wikileak reveal about the primary deal went hand in hand with bots propping Sanders wherever possible. Which makes sense, because the deal in itself was more or less normal politics. It was a dirty play, but it wasn't really illegal. It was only the notion that Hillary "stole" the position of candidate from someone else, who was then subsequently and systematically portrays as "more worthy" is the part which did the actual damage, not the leak in itself.
Trump's deputy attorney general reportedly threatened to resign after being painted as the mastermind behind Comey's firing
. Keep in mind that Trump was annoyed at Comey for a while, the "recommendations" may be simply a stitch-up to give the evil dog a sound-seeming rationale.
@Swanpride: You know, for all your hatred of Russia you and Putin (and more or less every center-left poster here) clearly agree that there's no such thing as an "organic" popular movement, or a legitimate one for that matter. (except when claiming such a thing suits your agenda)
Resucing the dynamics of the 2016 election and current American politics to Russia's propoganda campaign is nothing more than an excuse to deny the agency of the voters around the country rejecting the political status quo and those who uphold it. The same concerns arose among liberals in the 1960s, when the political establishment desperately attempted to argue that civil rights movement and related popular movements were (correctly if we're going by your standards) linked back to the Soviet Union and communism with the goal of destabilizing the country.
Both then and now, Russia is at most providing a small push; putting them front and center is no different from Putin blaming "the West" for Russia's economic troubles; a means of deflecting from the very real domestic problems plaguing the country by playing a relatively minor factor up as the central cause.
edited 11th May '17 6:50:03 AM by CaptainCapsase
Capsace, you seem to take a very black and white view of the political world, and it makes it very difficult to debate you. Why can't it be both simultaneously?
- Yes, there are organic populist movements in the U.S. that profoundly resent the status quo.
- Yes, those movements often have valid concerns and interesting policy ideas. They also have invalid/misdirected concerns and stupid policy ideas.
- Yes, those movements get disproportionate media attention attention because of their (relative) extremism.
- Yes, those movements are also incited and/or bankrolled by powerful elite interests for various reasons.
- Yes, those movements cheerfully adopt talking points that are word-for-word propaganda seeded by the right-wing conspiracy press.
- Yes, Russia does act as agent provocateur in those movements, seeding disinformation, funding disruptive elements, and generally muddying the waters.
All of these things can be true at once.
edited 11th May '17 8:06:00 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"From Reuters alerts
"Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats; CIA Director Mike Pompeo, NSA Director Admiral Michael Rogers, and Acting FBI Director Andrew Mc Cabe testify before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence during annual hearing on world-wide threats. Former FBI Director James Comey had been scheduled to testify as part of its probe into Russia and the U.S. presidential election. An aide to the committee confirmed the testimony had been canceled."
White House furious after being trolled with Russia Oval Office photos
Photos of Wednesday's meeting, taken by a Russian state news media photographer one day after Trump fired FBI Director James Comey amid questions about possible Trump campaign collusion with Moscow, were ultimately posted by Russia's news agency, TASS.
The White House did not post photos of the meeting although an official White House photographer was also in the room, the White House said. The State Department did post photos of Lavrov's meeting with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, but that was open to the press.
"They tricked us," an angry White House official said.
"That's the problem with the Russians — they lie," the official added.
The Russians used the photos to troll the White House in its social media posts Wednesday. The Russian Foreign Ministry posted a photo of a smiling US President shaking hands with Lavrov on Twitter, adding strange and ironic optics to the questions already swirling around the White House over Comey's firing.
LOL our sovereignty is in the hands of idiots LOL
I can't tell if that's Laughing Mad or just resigned Gallows Humor...
Anyway...Tom Price on reporter’s arrest: ‘That gentleman was not in a press conference’
This is interesting. Price is President Donald Trump’s point man on generating a replacement for Obamacare. If constant motion provides protection from Fourth Estate inquiries, we’re about to see a whole lot of walking in Washington.
Trump tells reporters that he may release his tax returns "when he's out of office", and somehow manages to brag about them at the same time.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/11/when-will-trump-release-his-taxes-238257
and Politico's Unauthorized White House Visitor Logs deserve a look. Although they are somewhat incomplete, it still gives a good idea of who has Trump's ear, and are the closest thing we have to actual White House visitor logs, since it was decided not to release them.
http://www.politico.com/interactives/databases/trump-white-house-visitor-logs-and-records/index.html
edited 11th May '17 8:33:29 AM by megaeliz
If you guys have the SAN points to spare, read this interview of Trump by the Economist.
http://www.economist.com/Trumptranscript?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/transcriptinterviewwithdonaldtrump
It is OK, because it won’t increase it for long. You may have two years where you’ll…you understand the expression “prime the pump”?
Yes.
We have to prime the pump.
It’s very Keynesian.
We’re the highest-taxed nation in the world. Have you heard that expression before, for this particular type of an event?
Priming the pump?
Yeah, have you heard it?
Yes.
Have you heard that expression used before? Because I haven’t heard it. I mean, I just…I came up with it a couple of days ago and I thought it was good. It’s what you have to do.
It’s…
Yeah, what you have to do is you have to put something in before you can get something out.
edit: Bolded words in the quote are the interviewer's.
edited 11th May '17 8:52:40 AM by nightwyrm_zero

It's TrumpDoesntCare. C'mon, we're supposed to be the smart party. Get your grammar right.