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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#188176: May 10th 2017 at 1:11:51 PM

I can echo the "Democrats are too focused on the 'This person sucks, vote for me instead'!" bullshit, as I saw the same three attack lines being used against John Katko (R-NY) by the DCCC, with only an occasional "Here's why you should vote for Maffei" ad - and Maffei was the incumbent!

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#188177: May 10th 2017 at 1:13:16 PM

It's the honeymoon period. If it's that low during the honeymoon period, expect it be lower.

The poll also gives the Democrats a +16 advantage on reclaiming the House.

So what the Dems should do, is pounce on something more than Mello's "I hate Trump lol" and prevent voter suppression.

edited 10th May '17 1:13:38 PM by NoName999

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#188178: May 10th 2017 at 1:13:55 PM

Comey's done enough to earn the ire of both parties. As worrying as the move is, no one is particularly going to mourn him.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#188179: May 10th 2017 at 1:15:29 PM

It's not so much Comey, that Democrats are pissed over, it's more the abuse of power and the integrity of the investigation.

I couldn't give less of a fuck about Comey, himself, personally, after the fuckery he pulled last fall.

New Survey coming this weekend!
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#188180: May 10th 2017 at 1:18:13 PM

I think they'll like Comey's firing.
Likely, they may also see it as an opportunity to pursue Clinton for criminal charges.

[up]Ditto, apparently the Trump administration honestly thought that it would be a win-win because both parties would support them, the morons.

edited 10th May '17 1:20:01 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#188181: May 10th 2017 at 1:19:31 PM

[up]x9 He's back at 36% according to Quinnipiac. He's also losing the Support of Independents and White Males (with and without College Degrees). Democrats are now more liked then Republicans (although they are still disliked), and he has lost most of his good will from the Syrian Bombing (as his handling of Foreign Policies is getting Disapproved).

The best news in that Poll, though, is that 54% of Voters want the House to go Democrat, which I think is great news.

[up]x6+[up]x7 The Die Hard Trumpeteers might think it's a good thing, but let's face it; they'll always think anything Trump does is a good thing.

For Neoconservative Republicans and Moderate/Centrist Independents, however, they'd mostly view this as a Negative.

edited 10th May '17 1:20:32 PM by DingoWalley1

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#188182: May 10th 2017 at 1:26:32 PM

Last June, when The Washington Post published an op-ed suggesting he could be a viable candidate, Johnson posted a screen grab and gave the idea a boost. On Instagram, he called the Post piece “interesting” and “fun to read,” adding that “the most important thing right now is strong honest leadership from our current and future leaders of this country.”

Since then, Johnson tells me, he's given the question more thought. “A year ago,” he says, “it started coming up more and more. There was a real sense of earnestness, which made me go home and think, ‘Let me really rethink my answer and make sure I am giving an answer that is truthful and also respectful.’ I didn't want to be flippant—‘We'll have three days off for a weekend! No taxes!’”

So, after all that consideration, Johnson doesn't hesitate when I ask him whether he honestly might one day give up his life as the highest-paid movie star on earth—which is unquestionably easier, more fun, and more lucrative than being president of the United States—in order to run for office. “I think that it's a real possibility,” he says solemnly. “How do you think Donald Trump is doing?” I ask.

“Mmm… With any job you come into, you've got to prove yourself. And…” Johnson pauses, performing lightning-fast mental calibrations. “Personally, I feel that if I were president, poise would be important. Leadership would be important. Taking responsibility for everybody. [If I didn't agree with someone] on something, I wouldn't shut them out. I would actually include them. The first thing we'd do is we'd come and sit down and we'd talk about it. It's hard to categorize right now how I think he's doing, other than to tell you how I would operate, what I would like to see.”

“What would you like to see?”

“Right?” Johnson says, laughing. He's obviously a little nervous, plucking at the spandex material stretching across his massive thighs, but he doesn't attempt to end the line of questioning. “I'd like to see a better leadership. I'd like to see a greater leadership. When there's a disagreement, and you have a large group of people that you're in a disagreement with—for example, the media—I feel like it informs me that I could be better. We all have issues, and we all gotta work our shit out. And I feel like one of the qualities of a great leader is not shutting people out. I miss that part. Even if we disagree, we've got to figure it out. Because otherwise I feel, as an American, all I hear and all I see in the example you're setting is ‘Now I'm shutting you out. And you can't come.’ [Disagreement] informs us. The responsibility as president—I [would] take responsibility for everyone. Especially when you disagree with me. If there's a large number of people disagreeing, there might be something I'm not seeing, so let me see it. Let me understand it.”

The Rock is considering a run for president.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#188183: May 10th 2017 at 1:30:24 PM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#188184: May 10th 2017 at 1:32:02 PM

[up][up]Ugh, please no. We don't need any more celebrity presidents. They'd be more useful if they just donated to progressive political causes.

edited 10th May '17 1:32:17 PM by Kostya

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#188185: May 10th 2017 at 1:34:18 PM

[up]Seriously, no more naifs in the highest office of the land please.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#188186: May 10th 2017 at 1:34:23 PM

And the Rock is a moderate, Arnold style Republican anyway.

If he runs 3rd party....

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#188187: May 10th 2017 at 1:39:44 PM

The presidency has gradually lost prestige.

I'm willing to bet that the presidency from now on will be a competition between corporate heads (like Mark Zuckerberg, Bob Iger and Mark Cuban), celebrities (like The Rock, Oprah, Chris Rock and Kanye West) and politicians.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#188188: May 10th 2017 at 1:42:27 PM

If they want to serve their country they can start out in another office. Reagan, Franken, and Arnold all did this. It's too bad we can't just pass a law saying the president must first serve as a senator, Rep, or governor.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#188189: May 10th 2017 at 1:44:51 PM

[up][up] The prestige of the presidency may have been damaged, but the consolidation of executive power that has been going on since the 19th century is unlikely to reverse itself, making the office all the more attractive. Trump will almost definitely leave his successor with substantially more power than he came into the office with. I can only hope whoever that is has the wisdom to consider the long term consequences of executive power creep.

edited 10th May '17 1:45:05 PM by CaptainCapsase

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#188190: May 10th 2017 at 1:45:16 PM

[up][up][up]Exactly. The Presidency is, for all intents and purposes, no longer an exalted position to be treated with respect and dignity, but instead a means for some hotshot to get his five minutes (or rather 4-8 years,) of fame. Which is somewhat rather depressing.

edited 10th May '17 1:45:37 PM by kkhohoho

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#188191: May 10th 2017 at 1:50:52 PM

[up]Isn't this a tad preemptive? Yes Trump won but that doesn't mean that the Presidency will only be occupied by celebrities.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#188192: May 10th 2017 at 1:52:29 PM

I think we need to see what the primary field looks like in 2019, at least on the Democrat side. Hopefully the majority of people aren't stupid enough to treat any of these celebrities as a serious candidate.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#188193: May 10th 2017 at 1:52:42 PM

After a little thought (very little), I'm halfway convinced that the entire Comey-firing / Russia-media exclusive stuff is Trump trying to get impeached because he no longer wants to do the job, but doesn't want to look weak by resigning.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#188194: May 10th 2017 at 1:59:23 PM

People have been saying that before he even got elected. Maybe there's a bit of truth to it as well, what with him complaining about how much harder the job is than he thought it would be and apparently not thinking his life would change that much.

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#188195: May 10th 2017 at 2:00:50 PM
Thumped: Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#188196: May 10th 2017 at 2:23:41 PM

If Trump's opened a door to celebrity presidents, it must be shut immediately.

Personally, I think Gillibrand has a legitimately good chance in 2020 and could see myself supporting her.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#188197: May 10th 2017 at 2:29:24 PM

I still think Franken would be a good choice but I'd enthusiastically back just about any Democratic politician.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#188198: May 10th 2017 at 2:33:53 PM

Guys, you're kind of jumping on an idiotic bandwagon with this "presidency has lost its prestige" because believe it or not, it takes far more than one idiot getting the office to totally make the position worthless.

And frankly, why would all these people theoretically want the title if it wasn't still prestigious? You present an argument, then point out that a whole lot of people still want it, because it still retains the same value. You contradict your own point that way. If anything, Trump has merely highlighted the fact that the list of actual legal requirements to run is a lot shorter than most realize.

Shippudentimes Since: Dec, 2012
#188199: May 10th 2017 at 2:37:31 PM

You know, for some reason, whenever I hear the word "Trump" in the news, my mind, as a subconscious reaction, plays the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme without even hearing the rest of the sentence.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#188200: May 10th 2017 at 2:40:35 PM

RUMINT: Chris Christie, Rudy 'Cyberman' Giuliani, Trey Gowdy, & Ray Kelly on FBI director short list.

lmfao.

None of these clowns would be respected by ANY rank-and-file Agent.

New Survey coming this weekend!

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