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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
For those needing something to snicker at, here's Joy Reed
on Ivanka's "book". Many valley girl jokes ensue.
Nobody was blaming Sanders for it. We were pointing out that his recommendations for the kind of candidates who will win have been repeatedly proven false and that this is it happening again.
edited 10th May '17 12:43:45 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
I'd be carful with how one goes about retaliating against Russia, now cyber attacks aimed at releasing Russian state secrets is one idea, but if a future Democrat administration wants to retaliate they would need to target the economy.
How do you do that? Not direct sanctions, you target Russia's exports by targeting its export markets.
An idea for how to do that would be clean energy, you subside the export of US manufactured clean energy (solar panels, wind turbines, electric cars) to counties that are currently dependant on Russian gas and oil, they are then able to roll back said dependence and that then causes Russia to loose export earning because it can't sell as much of its natural resources as it used to.
The bonuses with such a plan is that on top of hurting the Russian economy you're helping the environment and boosting US based manufacturing.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
X6 As far as I've seen it's a mixture of both; liking what Sanders represents (YMMV on that) and just really liking the man himself for being uncompromising and an "outsider". We've already gone over why that really isn't the case, but that's how he's looked at.
In a lot of ways, Sander's base is the leftist equivalent of the Republican base, at least on how little they like compromise. Unlike other people here, I'm not going to just restrict it to young white people, because I'm pretty sure that data shows the young is more important than the white as far as his appeal goes, but the result is basically the same.
edited 10th May '17 12:44:41 PM by LSBK
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Interestingly enough, one of the reasons Hillary "promoted" fracking during her tenure as So S, was to weed Western Europe away from Russian energy exports...with mixed results.
edited 10th May '17 12:46:26 PM by TacticalFox88
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I like this idea but it doesn't satisfy the desire for punitive action—to see Putin given at least a metaphorical black eye. There are *probably* ways to do this without escilating dangerously or destabilizing Russia to the degree we have a larger and nuclear-armed Iraq or Syria on our hands. What those are I'm less sure.
edited 10th May '17 12:49:07 PM by Elle
Welp, "Fake News" just became a
Share Phrase with the Russian ambassador.
This - my mother, for example, is staunchly pro-life (with the "Big Three" exceptions), though that's at least partially due to the fact that she was adopted, and born before Roe v. Wade became law - kind of hard not to be pro-Life in a scenario like that. And recently, we've discovered that the circumstances of her birth (she was the result of spousal cheating during a rough patch), which doesn't exactly inspire confidence that she wouldn't have been aborted.
edited 10th May '17 1:01:14 PM by ironballs16
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"What I'm hearing is that Mello and the Dems went too hard on hating Trump and not enough on policy.
I would say the Democrats need to rethink how they can get their message across in a positive way instead of focusing on what the opposition is doing wrong (which can be effective, but I would say it was done a bit too much in this past presidential election).
edited 10th May '17 12:57:43 PM by Grafite
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Stuff like this is what convinced me to vote for the Republican in my state Senate race even though she admitted she would probably vote Trump over Clinton (without actually endorsing him). She actually had a record of doing fairly positive stuff and getting funds for stuff in the district. (Her challenger was also not much of a challenger.) She was the one exemption I made to my "not voting for anyone who says positive things about Trump" baseline.
Focusing on local issues is also a big part of the rhetoric of NY Republicans in state office. The Democratic representation is disproportionately Downstate, clustered around NYC.
edited 10th May '17 1:04:18 PM by Elle
"Support" was a very lose description in this case. It was obvious she wasn't happy with either candidate and I'm not sure she'd make the same choice today. (I could have said why she was wrong but I deemed it the same flaw of ignorance a lot of otherwise-moderate Trump voters made.)
The challenger was also a complete neophyte who didn't even seem to be too serious about the race. Had interesting ideas but no personal history to suggest he'd be any good at legislating them.
edited 10th May '17 1:11:09 PM by Elle

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Mello apparently lost because he focused too much on Trump instead of local issues. While running for mayor.
Disgusted, but not surprised