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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#187801: May 9th 2017 at 2:14:21 PM

Your initial comment said they were named after a Turkish colloquialism then went on to talk about how then name has negative connotations in the West. I was pointing out that the name's connotations are exactly the same in Turkey, regardless of what Erdogan's government might try to claim.

In any case, let me put it this way—Cenk is of Turkish descent and denies the Armenian genocide. You really think he just named the group after the colloquialism?

That's what he says. It's up to you whether you want to believe him or not.

The thing about it is that the Young Turks do not exactly have negative connotations in Turkey because of all the brainwashing and omission they do in Turkey especially in regards to the Armenian Genocide. The Young Turks are heroes to the Turkish population. If you look at the polls, only 9 % of Turkish people would label it a genocide and apologize for it.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#187802: May 9th 2017 at 2:20:57 PM

I may have mentioned this previously, but Young Turk is an English-language colloquialism (I think more British than American and/or a bit outdated) that basically means a rebel/nonconformist that has left wing politics. This is speculation of my part, but I'd guess it probably took off partly because Turk was previously used as a slang term for someone savage/cruel (they had a bad rep), which probably also plays into how some parts of America use the term Turk to mean a brave person/warrior.

And so if like Cenk, you are actually of Turkish descent and have left wing politics, Young Turk makes for a clever pun. While it's horrible that Cenk himself is/was a denier of the Armenian Genocide, the slang term Young Turk is itself based on seeing the movement in terms of radical reformists, not perpetrators of genocide. Which I think it understandable since the movement started as reformers overthrowing the Sultanate. Or at least that's how Westerners saw things.

Tl; dr, Because he denies the Armenian Genocide, that makes Cenk's use of the term Young Turks somewhat suspicious, but in the English speaking world, the term itself has a relatively positive connotation that doesn't consider the genocide.

Also, I've thought about historical parallels ranging from William of Orange and Oliver Cromwell to Andrew Jackson and the slogan of America First, but it struck me that there's a close analogue to how depending on the context, Crusader can have pretty unfortunate implications (cf. Jihadi), and how the related term, Knight Templar, actually has an outright negative connotation.

edited 9th May '17 2:21:55 PM by Hodor2

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#187803: May 9th 2017 at 2:24:01 PM

What the Turkish people think is immaterial. Cent is an American addressing an Anglophone audience, denied the Genocide, and named his group after the Turkish version of Those Whacky Nazis.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#187804: May 9th 2017 at 2:27:03 PM

Yeah. I was thinking of that too. It's not really an excuse that people in Turkey deny the genocide, and there's even less excuse that Cenk, who is American does. I don't really hold the name against him because most Anglophone people who would use that as a slang term are presumably not genocide deniers.

edited 9th May '17 2:28:21 PM by Hodor2

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#187805: May 9th 2017 at 2:42:40 PM

Cenk isn't actually of Turkish descent. He is Turkish. He was born in Turkey and raised there until he was 7.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#187807: May 9th 2017 at 2:51:59 PM

[up]While this may or may not be a good thing, the question I've got is, who's going to replace him? And is he going to be another of Trump's cronies?

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#187808: May 9th 2017 at 2:53:05 PM

[up][up] Wasn't expecting that until Trump left office. I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing, as Comey sucked, but now Trump gets to pick a guy to replace him, and he could pick one of the sleaziest Trumpeteer he can find, which would effectively turn the FBI into the Gestapo or the KGB.

But man, sacking Comey probably won't help Trump's image with Intelligence Officers.

[up] I think that Trump gets to pick, and then he has to get voted by 51 Senators. So, expect the sleaziest Trumpeteer Trump can find to get the position, and expect the spineless Senate to vote him in.

EDIT: Also, according to an Article I'm reading, Att. General Jeff Sessions and his Deputy both pressured Trump into doing it. Sounds to me that Jeff Sessions definitely wants to turn the FBI into the KGB...

edited 9th May '17 2:56:30 PM by DingoWalley1

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#187809: May 9th 2017 at 2:55:39 PM

It makes Trump look guiltier but Comey's going to be replaced with one of his cronies.

Meaning that the Russian investigation is probably going to be dropped soon from the FBI side. And that the Senate will be the ones doing the investigating which they're not doing because over half of them are Republicans.

Or it'll be like Light from Death Note where the leader feeds bad info to his group to keep them off the trail.

Either way, it's a step closer to a dictatorship.

edited 9th May '17 2:56:45 PM by MadSkillz

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#187811: May 9th 2017 at 3:02:17 PM

Trump was actually stupid enough to fire Comey?

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FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#187812: May 9th 2017 at 3:03:03 PM

Reminder, Nixon did the same thing. Look what happened to him.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#187813: May 9th 2017 at 3:05:15 PM

Comey absolutely deserves to be fired for misconduct, but THIS?

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#187814: May 9th 2017 at 3:06:07 PM

Trump is somehow able to bounce everything off. I've come to the conclusion that he's made out of rubber.

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#187815: May 9th 2017 at 3:06:45 PM

Well, here's to hoping that now that he's got nothing to keep him loyal to Trump anymore he'll start being more forthright with information.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#187816: May 9th 2017 at 3:07:14 PM

Oh btw, guys.

The official reason for why they're firing him is because he mishandled Hillary's emails and think he was unfair to her.

[lol][lol][lol]

edited 9th May '17 3:07:30 PM by MadSkillz

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#187817: May 9th 2017 at 3:08:21 PM

Don't celebrate too quickly, Fox. According to that letter, it's recommended by Sessions, who probably already has some nefarious plan for the post.

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FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#187818: May 9th 2017 at 3:09:00 PM

Also, Comey was well liked by his colleagues and generally respected by the intelligence community. I don't think the rest of the FBI is gonna be happy with this...

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#187819: May 9th 2017 at 3:11:38 PM

Oh shit, CNN are going in and wondering if this was a coup.

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FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#187820: May 9th 2017 at 3:13:35 PM

Like I said, Nixon did the same thing, and it ended up horribly for him.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#187821: May 9th 2017 at 3:14:12 PM

Comey's firing was a shocked to everyone in the FBI.

Welp. I say Trump is fucked by the intelligence community. Just need to call up your reps and Senators to get them to force Trumps hand.

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Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#187822: May 9th 2017 at 3:14:56 PM

Can't help but notice that trump unnecessarily points out that he's afraid of an investigation.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#187823: May 9th 2017 at 3:16:16 PM

Sounds like it was something that he did without much thought or preparation.

The full impact of this move won't be known for some time.

Also, Trump's signature looks stupid.tongue

edited 9th May '17 3:17:27 PM by Rationalinsanity

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#187825: May 9th 2017 at 3:20:43 PM

Alright but what can people do against Trump?

The Senate and House is still owned by Republicans. At least under Nixon, it was the opposing party.


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