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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#187676: May 8th 2017 at 11:55:38 PM

Honestly, how much has to happen until Trump finally gets impeached? I am stunned that he gets away with so much and there hasn't even one proper attempt to get him out of office.....

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#187677: May 9th 2017 at 12:07:51 AM

TYT's alright. I used to gobble their news up a lot a couple years ago. I tune in maybe once a month now to see if anything interesting pops up. They're way too in love with Sanders.

Cenk's pretty reasonable most of the time although he can be too much of a purist sometimes. I prefer to listen to Ana and Jon .

Jimmy Dore though, he can be a problem.

edited 9th May '17 12:10:00 AM by MadSkillz

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#187678: May 9th 2017 at 12:09:53 AM

I still don't fully get the "things were rigged in Hilary's favor" thing. Even the things we found out seemed fairly standard or not particularly damning of her.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#187679: May 9th 2017 at 12:19:38 AM

Impeachment can only be carried out by Congress which is firmly Republican.

Oh really when?
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#187680: May 9th 2017 at 12:23:11 AM

@LSBK It was never rigged but the DNC was undoubtedly biased for Hillary to the detriment of the party.

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#187681: May 9th 2017 at 12:24:42 AM

So the only hope is if the fabled "Democratic landslide" actually happens... And if it does, accelerationists won't let us hear the end of it. But at least the Impeachment process will probably start on the very day the seats are transferred.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#187682: May 9th 2017 at 12:28:48 AM

I keep wondering jf we even want Trump impeached. I can't image that Pence will be much better besides a sjperficial facade. And that could potentially ne more dangerous.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#187683: May 9th 2017 at 12:32:02 AM

Jimmy Dore though, he can be a problem.

Jimmy Dore is an accelerationist nutjob who wants to have a "revolution" on the backs of minorities and the poor while he sits secure in home doing nothing. He actively pushed for a Trump victory.

TYT's alright. I used to gobble their news up a lot a couple years ago. I tune in maybe once a month now to see if anything interesting pops up. They're way too in love with Sanders.

Agreed on the last part but "alright"? They're pretty much the definition of the lunatic Internet left, putting adherence to their version of the purity test above all else. Their coverage is essentially guaranteed to build voter apathy, and no amount of last second backpedaling during each election cycle can erase the damage they do before it.

And of course Cenk's a genocide denying piece of trash who named his show after the faction headed up by Enver, Talaat and Cemal.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#187684: May 9th 2017 at 12:33:24 AM

Honestly, I kind of want Trump to stay exactly where he is, so that he'll have to ride out his term and face the anger from the American people towards his decisions. This is one marriage he can't just divorce his way out of.

edited 9th May '17 12:35:33 AM by BearyScary

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#187685: May 9th 2017 at 12:38:25 AM

Pence is bad in quite a few specific ways. Trump is bad in every conceivable way, including every way that Pence is bad in.

'Cause, y'know, it's not like Trump is doing much to oppose Pence's agenda. And at the moment, Pence is getting away with everything because he can seem reasonable next to Trump. Without a Trump for him to seem reasonable next to, he'd be able to get away with less.

Also Pence isn't actively trying to undermine the American democracy, and can be assumed to have at least basic knowledge of how government actually works, so he'd be an objectively better president than Trump.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#187686: May 9th 2017 at 12:48:34 AM

Pence would be much easier for the Republicans to work with in terms of getting anything done. On the flipside I dunno how popular he'd be. He certainly wouldn't make the same kinds of horrible gaffes Trump does constantly, but he's not really someone anyone but diehard republicans and religious fundamentalists would rally around. And with him being much more expedient at ruining people's lives than even Trump, it wouldn't do him any favors.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#187687: May 9th 2017 at 12:49:54 AM

@Ambar TYT doesn't just do political news. So even if you don't like their viewpoints, they have some other pretty good stuff on there.

And of course Cenk's a genocide denying piece of trash who named his show after the faction headed up by Enver, Talaat and Cemal.

This isn't actually accurate.

Cenk is no longer denying the Armenian Genocide and the network isn't actually named after that faction. It's named after the Turkish colloquialism "young turk" which means young radical that fights the status quo. Or so I've read.

But on the other hand, Cenk isn't acknowledging it either and has only upgraded to he doesn't know enough which is still condemnable and the name "Young Turk" has terrible associations outside Turkey and should issue an apology and have their name changed.

I agree with what you said about Jimmy Dore though. I dislike accelerationists.

edited 9th May '17 12:56:00 AM by MadSkillz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#187688: May 9th 2017 at 1:00:41 AM

I used to watch TYT. But they gradually started grating on me for various reasons. Now I don't watch any of their stuff since I don't want to give them a single view.

But Jimmy Dore's the worst of the lot.

edited 9th May '17 1:04:36 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#187689: May 9th 2017 at 1:04:16 AM

@Mad That's sort of like saying 'Oh we name ourselves National Socialists Workers Party because we're National Socialist and for the Workers and not for the NSDAP'

And has he actually 'recanted' his genocide denial? All I'm finding online is that he rescinded the statement and then wuss-ed out by stating 'He doesn't know enough about it'.

'Oh, I dunno, history is hard' falls pretty flat in making up for Genocide denial in my book.

Or maybe I'm simply out of patience with Turkish expat nationalism/apologism since April.

edited 9th May '17 1:05:32 AM by 3of4

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math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#187690: May 9th 2017 at 1:05:21 AM

They're also funded by a millionaire former GOP Congressman.

But somehow it's fine.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#187691: May 9th 2017 at 1:05:59 AM

[up][up] Way back when this was brought up earlier, someone on this thread described Cenk's current stance as a bullshit non-answer. That was true then, and it's true now.

[up]And when they addressed accusations that they are an astroturf project funded by the dreaded Soros, Ana actually said she wished that was the case. Given their previous stances, it seemed rather hypocritical that they expressed admiration for a TPP supporting hedge fund manager.

edited 9th May '17 1:08:07 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#187692: May 9th 2017 at 1:06:57 AM

I'll give them one other thing in their favor.

They actually acknowledge the Russian hacks, think it was a big deal, Trump being in with the Russians and actively talk about it.

It drives me nuts when I see some leftist sites where they marginalize those issues too much.

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#187693: May 9th 2017 at 1:08:23 AM

I think math792d has a picture for that.

Edit: Found it

[down]Then we seem to be in agreement?

edited 9th May '17 1:10:08 AM by 3of4

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#187694: May 9th 2017 at 1:08:33 AM

@3o14 I think you missed my edit. Go look at it. I addressed what you said before you posted.

edit: [up] Yep. We're in agreement.

edited 9th May '17 1:13:56 AM by MadSkillz

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#187695: May 9th 2017 at 1:18:25 AM

All I'm finding online is that he rescinded the statement and then wuss-ed out by stating 'He doesn't know enough about it'.
I agree that it looks like a non-answer, but honestly, I'm not entirely sure that's the case. Because I remember in one of their videos a while back - on some completely separate topic - Ana threw absolutely massive shade at "people who act like they're experts on historical events but actually just need to shut the fuck up." So maybe that's why it took the form that it did, but I don't really know. So if that ship has sailed, fine; this sure as hell isn't a hill worth dying on.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#187696: May 9th 2017 at 1:26:23 AM

Some more info on Puerto Rico's economic woes.

Since Puerto Ricans are after all American citizens, even if our dumbass POS president doesn't seem to know it.

BTW, that $70 billion debt issue? That's on top of a $50 billion pension obligation issue. That's right, Puerto Rico owes about $120 billion.

The article also states that upcoming cuts to ACA funding will hit them especially hard. Imagine how bad the AHCA will screw them over if it becomes law.

edited 9th May '17 1:26:51 AM by M84

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#187697: May 9th 2017 at 1:31:32 AM

Holy crap: what were they doing in Puerto Rico?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#187698: May 9th 2017 at 1:34:01 AM

[up] Long story short, setting yourself up as a tax haven and advertising that your little island lacks some of the protections the states have to big businesses is a terrible idea. For starters, look up triple-exempt bonds. Puerto Rico is also living proof of why hedge funds have the nickname "vulture funds".

Puerto Rico's status as a territory means there are a lot of legal loopholes that could and were exploited by financiers such as the mutual fund UBS. This hits a bit close to home, since one of my relatives works at UBS. I'm pretty sure she wasn't involved with what happened to Puerto Rico, but I'm afraid to ask.

[down]That's the gist of it.

edited 9th May '17 1:37:34 AM by M84

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#187699: May 9th 2017 at 1:35:27 AM

John Oliver did a thing on that. Now short, a combination of stupid tax policy and getting screwed over by the fact that they are not a State, if I remember correctly.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#187700: May 9th 2017 at 1:40:00 AM

Think of Kansas and Oklahoma's current problems. Now imagine if they lacked a bunch of federal laws protecting them from financial chicanery and other states couldn't be bothered to bail them out.

That's Puerto Rico.

Unemployment is rampant, people are abandoning the island in droves, schools and hospitals are closing...it's bad.

BTW, the Last Week Tonight segment also mentioned that Puerto Rico is suffering from a Zika epidemic. That epidemic is still ongoing. Yet another reason why the hospitals closing, doctors leaving, and potential loss of ACA funding (and the ACA itself) is so awful.

edited 9th May '17 1:42:59 AM by M84

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