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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#187576: May 8th 2017 at 6:45:50 AM

[up][up]Which just harms labour output and puts further costs and pressures on society. Having an impoverished underclass isn't a good thing for anyone not in the prison industry...

[up]Some people do "flee" more socialized positions to get treatment in the US, but usually that's for stuff they want done faster and can afford it. Very, very rarely will you have someone doing that because their life is on the line if they wait at home.

edited 8th May '17 6:47:14 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#187577: May 8th 2017 at 6:48:05 AM

never mind

edited 8th May '17 6:56:57 AM by PhysicalStamina

i'm tired, my friend
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#187578: May 8th 2017 at 6:50:22 AM

[up][up] I hear the "fleeing socialized medicine" line all the time from my trumpling family members thanks to this one aunt from the UK who came to the USA for surgery because back home had a 6 month waiting list. It eventually came out that said surgery in the USA cost her something like $100,000 in 1980's money, but that bit is usually glossed over.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#187579: May 8th 2017 at 6:52:43 AM

[up][up][up]

Which just harms labour output and puts further costs and pressures on society. Having an impoverished underclass isn't a good thing for anyone not in the prison industry...

It is not a coincidence that the USA has such a high incarceration and recidivism rate.

And as has been mentioned in this thread a few times, prisoners can legally be used for slave labor.

edited 8th May '17 6:53:51 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#187580: May 8th 2017 at 9:32:12 AM

Obama Warned Trump Against Hiring Mike Flynn, Say Officials

Former President Obama warned Donald Trump against hiring Mike Flynn as his national security adviser, three former Obama administration officials tell NBC News.

The warning, which has not been previously reported, came less than 48 hours after the November election when the two sat down for a 90-minute conversation in the Oval Office.

The revelation comes on a day that former acting Attorney General Sally Yates is expected to testify that Flynn misled the White House about his contacts with Russia's ambassador to the United States.

There goes that Pence excuse

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#187581: May 8th 2017 at 9:39:37 AM

Obama:

The ultimate I told you so entity alive today.

Inter arma enim silent leges
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#187582: May 8th 2017 at 9:42:56 AM

They really want to save money? Maybe go to a healthcare system that demonstrably costs less.

With stuff like this I always comeback to two things: either they're true-believers who buy completely into the "feelings trump facts" narrative, or they're aware that things like socialized medicine and other social programs are generally better for everyone in the long run but don't care because they consider it "cheating" or that people need "tough love" to get out of bad situations and the government helping is inherently bad. Both of which can be intertwined with racism or any other prejudice.

But this is just in regards to the (significant) minority of people who just can't be convinced no matter what. For everyone else things are more complicated, but doable.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#187583: May 8th 2017 at 10:28:50 AM

And to add more fuel to the fire McMaster apparently is falling out of favor with Trump

But inside the White House, the Mc Master pick has not gone over well with the one man who matters most. White House officials tell me Trump himself has clashed with Mc Master in front of his staff.

On policy, the faction of the White House loyal to senior strategist Steve Bannon is convinced Mc Master is trying to trick the president into the kind of nation building that Trump campaigned against. Meanwhile the White House chief of staff, Reince Priebus, is blocking Mc Master on a key appointment.

Mc Master's allies and adversaries inside the White House tell me that Trump is disillusioned with him. This professional military officer has failed to read the president — by not giving him a chance to ask questions during briefings, at times even lecturing Trump.

and then there's this:

Trump was livid, according to three White House officials, after reading in the Wall Street Journal that Mc Master had called his South Korean counterpart to assure him that the president's threat to make that country pay for a new missile defense system was not official policy. These officials say Trump screamed at Mc Master on a phone call, accusing him of undercutting efforts to get South Korea to pay its fair share.

This was not an isolated incident. Trump has complained in front of Mc Master in intelligence briefings about "the general undermining my policy," according to two White House officials. The president has given Mc Master less face time. Mc Master's requests to brief the president before some press interviews have been declined. Over the weekend, Mc Master did not accompany Trump to meet with Australia's prime minister; the outgoing deputy national security adviser, K.T. Mc Farland, attended instead.

If Mc Master goes...good luck getting anyone else to serve.

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FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare
#187584: May 8th 2017 at 10:35:46 AM

Jesus Christ it's practically Stalin's Kremlin in the White House right now.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#187585: May 8th 2017 at 10:39:54 AM

No, Stalin did have a brain.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#187586: May 8th 2017 at 10:45:25 AM

And he could shoot the people he disliked and get away with it

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#187587: May 8th 2017 at 10:49:57 AM

And Trump just keeps looking more and more pathetic in his Sisyphean quest to look strong.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#187588: May 8th 2017 at 10:51:29 AM

Mostly because he doesn't have a proper concept of what strong means in this particular arena.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#187589: May 8th 2017 at 10:57:30 AM

Scott Dworkin‏Verified account @funder

Hill Sources: White House contacted multiple GOP Senators TODAY asking them to cancel Yates hearing

lmfao

The hammer may finally drop today?

edited 8th May '17 10:58:00 AM by TacticalFox88

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#187590: May 8th 2017 at 11:02:11 AM

[up] I'd assume it's Trump being Trump for the time being.

But I will say that if Yates does have something legitimately damaging on Trump, above and beyond what's already public knowledge anyways, I'm not going to be surprised.

edited 8th May '17 11:02:29 AM by Falrinn

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#187591: May 8th 2017 at 11:02:40 AM

Mostly because he doesn't have a proper concept of what strong means in this particular arena.
Oh yeah, Trump is the poster child for toxic masculinity alongside all the other nastier parts of our culture.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#187592: May 8th 2017 at 11:47:30 AM

Not sure if it's been discussed already, but the situation in Flint, Michigan hit a new low point as the city sent out 8,002 letters demanding that residents pay $5.8 million in water and sewer bills or risk being foreclosed on. This is almost the epitome of Lawful Evil, given how the residents there still don't have decent water.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#187593: May 8th 2017 at 12:11:00 PM

Wait wait wait... Let Me Get This Straight...... The people of Flint, who have spent, what, years?, without clean water are now being threatened with foreclosure for not paying their water and sewer bills?

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#187594: May 8th 2017 at 12:14:15 PM

"Yeah, you know all that water that was so lead-contaminated that you couldn't drink it? Well, nothing in the contract stipulates that we'd only charge you for clean water, so pay up."

FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#187595: May 8th 2017 at 12:23:52 PM

Might as well quarantine Michigan off from the rest of the country at this point.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#187596: May 8th 2017 at 12:30:56 PM

Sounds like something straight out of the Onion

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CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#187597: May 8th 2017 at 12:34:31 PM

There's actually an article showing that, while SNL and others like it are doing A-ok, parody series like VEEP are having trouble outdoing real life.

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#187598: May 8th 2017 at 12:41:05 PM

"We believed General Flynn was compromised with regards to the Russians."

:O

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)

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