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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#187501: May 7th 2017 at 12:05:20 PM

I should not have needed to breathe a sigh of relief.

edited 7th May '17 12:06:46 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#187502: May 7th 2017 at 12:05:47 PM

That's great and all but what does it have to do with U.S. politics? I don't think going "France didn't fuck up the same way we did", counts as really relevant.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#187503: May 7th 2017 at 12:18:40 PM

It does have an impact on how NATO functions; Trump pretty much thinks it's not worth it, regardless of what other say, and with Le Pen in charge there was a goddamned good chance of the whole agreement falling apart.

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#187504: May 7th 2017 at 12:19:23 PM

Trump posted a few tweets in support of Le Pen, so he and his handlers were hoping for another European ally. While they'll probably still go ahead with trying to sabotage the EU/NATO, France and Europe in general is in a better position to oppose their efforts.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#187505: May 7th 2017 at 12:19:40 PM

The West and NATO is mostly secure for the time being. That's whats important.

Oh really when?
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#187506: May 7th 2017 at 12:19:45 PM

France is a major American partner, a key player in NATO, and one of the core nations of the EU. An election there by definition impacts the USA, particularly when the current American president (and his Russian backers) and the former American president have endorsed different candidates.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#187507: May 7th 2017 at 12:22:46 PM

Well then, proper context can be mentioned then, can't it?

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#187508: May 7th 2017 at 12:24:00 PM

I think at this point we expect most regular posters to already be aware of the context since we've mentioned Trump's dislike of NATO several times before.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#187509: May 7th 2017 at 12:25:57 PM

Fair enough, I guess. It's just hard to tell where the emphasis is with some people, sometimes.

edited 7th May '17 12:27:24 PM by LSBK

tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#187510: May 7th 2017 at 12:30:41 PM

Also, if the Brexit vote was an ominous omen for the '16 election, maybe we can take this as an encouraging precursor for '18?

Trump delenda est
JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#187511: May 7th 2017 at 12:31:40 PM

France is also a permanent member of the UN Security Council, alongside China, Russia, the US and the UK. So we don't really want a Trump fan like Le Pen on that as well.

FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#187512: May 7th 2017 at 12:33:16 PM

[up] Well, now France can talk down on those 4 losers.

FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare
#187513: May 7th 2017 at 1:05:20 PM

The Russians also attempted to influence the French elections by pulling a Comey by trying to drop scandalous information on Macron's campaign via cyberattack in the last few days.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#187514: May 7th 2017 at 1:06:32 PM

So France dodged their metaphorical bullet? Good. I was kind of worried about that.

Do not obey in advance.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#187515: May 7th 2017 at 1:07:01 PM

Though all evidence shows that it had no impact, and Hollande might be setting up a parting shot.

Maybe Moscow needs to have some...problems with their traffic lights?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#187516: May 7th 2017 at 1:07:29 PM

It means that at least one out of the largest nuclear powers on the planet (America, Russia, China, Britain, France) isn't handing over its keys to either an autocrat or a fascist.

So that's something.

edited 7th May '17 1:07:48 PM by math792d

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
Izeinsummer Since: Jun, 2013
#187517: May 7th 2017 at 1:13:50 PM

[up][up][up].. Dodge and dodge. France was standing around casually watching people fire rounds.. sort of vaguely in its general direction. Only, all the bullets were landing on this cardboard cutout of what France is that the shooters themselves had put up. And it... neither looked anything like France, nor was it anywhere near it.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#187518: May 7th 2017 at 1:35:51 PM

Now that the nightmare in France has been averted, i'm now interested in Yates' testimony, tomorrow.

EDIT: Lawd have mercy this shade Hillary is throwing on twitter is hilarious

Victory for Macron, for France, the EU, & the world.

Defeat to those interfering w/democracy. (But the media says I can't talk about that)

[lol]

edited 7th May '17 2:22:52 PM by TacticalFox88

New Survey coming this weekend!
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#187519: May 7th 2017 at 2:25:46 PM

France apparently has a law about the news reporting on the election for like twenty four hours or something, which means anyone wanting to talk about this would have to do so through social media. A blackout, they call it.

It's worth considering if that rule about the news reporting on it helped to kill any attempts at scandal making.

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#187520: May 7th 2017 at 2:51:43 PM

Well, considering Europe's Defeating the Undefeatable overseas, we can always do our own appeal to national pride and ego (you're being shown up by the Dutch and the French)...

Meanwhile on the local level: Democrats circle Atlanta statehouse seats where Trump struggled

We told you earlier that a May 16 runoff for the state Senate District 32 seat vacated by Judson Hill of Marietta, a Republican, could become a test vote for the larger Sixth District contest on June 20:

But other districts in Atlanta’s suburbs may make for easier Democratic pickings. And it could start with two soon-to-be-opened state Senate seats.

David Shafer of Duluth and Hunter Hill of Smyrna both represent Senate districts that Hillary Clinton won in November. And both are vacating their seats to run for higher office – Hill for governor and Shafer for lieutenant governor.

Using November’s presidential returns, a Daily Kos elections analysis notes that the bluest GOP-held state Senate seat – and best pickup opportunity for Democrats – is represented by Hunter Hill. Fran Millar of Dunwoody is the third Republican in the Senate representing Clinton turf.

In the House, the landscape is even friendlier to Democrats. Only two Democrats represent districts taken by Donald Trump — Bill Mc Gowan of Americus and Bob Trammell of Luthersville. But 14 Republicans hold Clinton turf.

State Rep. Rich Golick of Smyrna represents the “bluest seat of the bunch” – Clinton carried his district 55 to 41 percent. Three other GO Pers are in territories that Clinton carried by double-digit margins.

Democratic Party of Georgia spokesman Michael Smith said the party is bullish on next year’s vote – but “not taking anything for granted.”

“Folks across the state are seeing the same stars align—and they’re coming out of the woodwork to run for office and help us build an even deeper bench.”

Check out the DailyKos spreadsheet here.

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#187521: May 7th 2017 at 3:08:36 PM

Kindly ignore the twitter profile in favor of my new favorite senator, Kamala Harris talking about the GOP health care atrocity, [1] putting an exclamation point on her statement with F-bombs. [tup]

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#187522: May 7th 2017 at 3:34:28 PM

I breathed a huge sigh of relief when I saw that on CNN and Fox News earlier.

Trump actually congratulated Macron on Twitter, without any stealth insults or, um, regular insults. Color me surprised.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#187523: May 7th 2017 at 3:36:31 PM

Was it a tweet by him or by his staff?

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#187524: May 7th 2017 at 3:38:12 PM

Good question, it may have well been ghost-written by somebody else, but it appeared on his Real Donald Trump account, if nothing else.

"Congratulations to Emmanuel Macron on his big win today as the next President of France. I look very much forward to working with him!"

edited 7th May '17 3:40:13 PM by speedyboris

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#187525: May 7th 2017 at 3:42:29 PM

[up]"Look very much forward" now my head hurts...


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