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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#187376: May 5th 2017 at 10:17:42 PM

So, in the event that, pass or fail (though hopefully fail, obviously) this healthcare disaster does bring about a "blue wave" next year, what do you realistically think/hope could come from it?

edited 5th May '17 10:18:05 PM by LSBK

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#187377: May 5th 2017 at 10:21:20 PM

California just voted to have an earlier presidential primary.

California legislators voted Thursday to hold the state’s next presidential primary just after early contests in Iowa and New Hampshire, giving Golden State voters a greater voice in the nominating process.

Two measures passed by the Senate and the Assembly would both set California’s primary for the third Tuesday in March. Minor differences between the two bills mean legislators would have to reconcile the versions before they send it to Gov. Jerry Brown (D) for a signature.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#187378: May 5th 2017 at 10:23:29 PM

That's why I put extreme partisanship on equal footing with racism not below or above. They're inextricably linked.

No. Again, if this was the case, you'd have seen the same sort of reaction to Bill Clinton. They hated him to a truly deranged level, yet they were still willing to work with him on occasion. They were unwilling to work with Obama under any circumstance and those reasons were tied up with race, not partisanship.

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#187379: May 5th 2017 at 10:24:40 PM

[up][up][up]Flipping the Senate would be a practical miracle, so the benefit would be stoping terrible legislation for two years and hopefully kicking Trump out.

edited 5th May '17 10:25:46 PM by TheRoguePenguin

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#187380: May 5th 2017 at 10:24:46 PM

[up][up][up][up] Realistically, if the GOP keeps up butchering their own public image and could affects most of the followers as well, then a blue wave may indeed happen if we take into account the previous presidency of Obama and the red waves.

edited 5th May '17 10:25:32 PM by Luigisan98

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#187381: May 5th 2017 at 10:25:12 PM

I've been thinking, don't let this become normal. It's not.

[up]still we can't just count on a blue wave. We need persuasion, and advocates who are willing to talk to people who they are going to disagree with, even if it might lead to some uncomfortable conversations.

edited 5th May '17 10:34:06 PM by megaeliz

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#187382: May 5th 2017 at 10:28:47 PM

Btw, the California presidential primary was in June before. We moved 3 months up and I think we should end up as the 15 th state to have its primary which could mean the GOP candidate might have to act more moderate.

No. Again, if this was the case, you'd have seen the same sort of reaction to Bill Clinton. They hated him to a truly deranged level, yet they were still willing to work with him on occasion. They were unwilling to work with Obama under any circumstance and those reasons were tied up with race, not partisanship.

Valid but the GOP of the 90's was less partisan than the GOP of the 2000's and 10's.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#187383: May 5th 2017 at 10:34:15 PM

You're getting it backwards, Mad. The GOP radicalized during the 2008 election and the 2010 midterms and the reason for that was because the Democrats had elected a black guy. They didn't exploit racism because they were partisan, they doubled down on partisanism because they are racist.

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#187384: May 5th 2017 at 10:48:58 PM

[up] Can you stop generalizing the whole party, please? >:(

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#187385: May 5th 2017 at 10:49:03 PM

[up][up]l really found this quote on the nature of progress and prejudice to be a useful way to conceptualize why the backlash against Obama was so strong.

Even when it seems like rights and equality are moving in the right direction, they often come with far less progressive realities. The birth and life of this nation were fueled by the colonial settlement of indigenous lands and slaughter of indigenous peoples, the enslavement and then pervasive segregation of black people, and the sustained subjugation of women and workers, immigrants and queer folks, the disabled, and others. We need to be able to talk about progress and prejudice.
.

You know what, I'm done trying to imbed this, so here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X1hf35iFekg

edited 5th May '17 10:59:56 PM by megaeliz

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#187386: May 5th 2017 at 10:56:23 PM

@Ambar That's how I see their base. I dunno about its leaders. You could be right though.

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#187387: May 5th 2017 at 10:58:42 PM

@luigisan why? Republicans are the Stupid And Evil party.

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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#187388: May 5th 2017 at 11:07:36 PM

Luigisan, I get that you're trying to be optimistic, but there are some cold hard cynical facts you have to accept.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#187389: May 5th 2017 at 11:08:38 PM

Can you stop generalizing the whole party, please? >:(

Could you stop demanding I be nice to people who just made rape a condition that can cost you insurance?

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#187390: May 5th 2017 at 11:13:45 PM

[up] I did not said that. What I meant is that you should know that there are even heroes among the GOP who will not support such bill.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#187391: May 5th 2017 at 11:16:19 PM

[up]The Republicans are monsters. Even the most decent ones hold godawful views.

edited 5th May '17 11:16:40 PM by MadSkillz

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#187392: May 5th 2017 at 11:19:16 PM

[up] Are you sure?

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#187393: May 5th 2017 at 11:20:49 PM

Keith Olberman can be a bit, uh, well you know, but I got goosebumps from this: (Since I can't embed for some reason: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gAChqYKslGs

edited 5th May '17 11:24:30 PM by megaeliz

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#187394: May 5th 2017 at 11:22:42 PM

[up]X4 Being unwilling to condemn people to die because they were raped does not make a person a hero, it makes them not cartoonishly evil, but not a hero.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#187395: May 5th 2017 at 11:24:09 PM

[up] I know.

But still, I hold up for a new, brighter, peaceful and understanding version of the GOP one day.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#187396: May 5th 2017 at 11:29:55 PM

As I keep saying, we need to run persuasion and issue advocacy campaigns. And we do that by finding common ground, and shared values and going from there. It's harder to demonize the person who you had dinner at there house and actually talked to them. This is how we rebuild our democracy, this is how we start bridging the divide that gave us Trump. It may be uncomfortable, it may not be glamorous, but it is vital to a healthy democracy.

If anyone is interested in this at all please watch this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QdnxwV6896M

edited 5th May '17 11:39:31 PM by megaeliz

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#187397: May 5th 2017 at 11:29:56 PM

[up][up][up][up]Keith Olbermann's been pissed off for like four months now. I think he's going to keep being pissed off four at least the next four years.

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#187398: May 5th 2017 at 11:34:44 PM

[up][up] Indeed. But does that also mean redemption can be found within the GOP?

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#187399: May 5th 2017 at 11:37:32 PM

That's up to the moderate conservatives who are fed up with the GOP's antics.

And compleatly random, but just a saw an add for Ossoff.

[down] yeah, most of the actual moderates are probably going be democratic this time anyway. My dad used to vote Republican until they got too nuts for him. He's a bit more on the fiscally conservative, socially liberal end of the spectrum, if you know what I mean. (We live in a state where even the republicans tend to be more liberal)

edited 5th May '17 11:52:29 PM by megaeliz

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#187400: May 5th 2017 at 11:42:06 PM

As it stands, the GOP has proven that there can be no reconciliation.

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