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FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#187351: May 5th 2017 at 9:12:54 PM

[up][up] Would AHCA count as genocide, since the the reason the House GOP passed it is because it would save them money due to premature deaths?

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#187352: May 5th 2017 at 9:15:04 PM

[up]No. Genocide has a specific meaning. Let's not even pretend to dick around with it.

FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#187353: May 5th 2017 at 9:16:13 PM

[up] Well, it is essentially legal mass murder...

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#187354: May 5th 2017 at 9:17:56 PM

Well, murder by definition isn't legal so...let's just not mess around with definitions. The reality of this is bad enough that it can stand on its own.

edited 5th May '17 9:18:25 PM by LSBK

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#187355: May 5th 2017 at 9:22:23 PM

[up][up]I will say it again—no. Do not dick around with the definition of genocide.

EDIT: Oh and going back to what Tobias said about how the new Republican bill making it harder for women to report rape is a feature, not a bug, the incels are thrilled.

edited 5th May '17 9:34:05 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#187356: May 5th 2017 at 9:34:28 PM

AHCA is basically fuck you, I don't even care about mine, just fuck you.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#187357: May 5th 2017 at 9:37:30 PM

[up]Because cartoon vil— no, fuck it, even cartoon villains have more dignity and decency than the GOP. When Mr.Berns looks like the shining example of both a rich Republican and a decent human being by comparison, you know there's something fucked up.

edited 5th May '17 9:38:01 PM by kkhohoho

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#187358: May 5th 2017 at 9:43:09 PM

This is like trying to split the difference between "acts of genocide" and "genocide". If you are prepared to push a racist narrative in the interests of maintaining your own power, then you can't claim you have no ill-will towards those people. Ruining someone's life in order to hold onto power is a pretty definitive example of ill-will.

When I said ill-will, I was talking about how one feels about a group. I don't have to hate or dislike you to hurt you only be apathetic to your entire existence.

Which one could argue is even worse.

It's a meaningless distinction between a terrible person that does terrible things out of the terrible beliefs they have and a terrible person that does terrible things based on the the terrible beliefs of their constituents because they have no real beliefs and only want to keep themselves in power.

I layman's terms, true believers versus spineless opportunists.

edited 5th May '17 9:50:50 PM by MadSkillz

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#187359: May 5th 2017 at 9:49:41 PM

I'm kind of afraid to ask, but what is an "incel"?

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#187360: May 5th 2017 at 9:50:22 PM

Involuntary celibate.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#187361: May 5th 2017 at 9:52:25 PM

[up][up][up] In the end, they're both terrible people doing terrible things and deserve to be treated with the exact same level of contempt no matter their reasons.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#187362: May 5th 2017 at 9:53:46 PM

If the AHCA gets pushed through then I hope single payer passes on California.

@Perseus Yeah, pretty much.

edited 5th May '17 9:54:23 PM by MadSkillz

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#187363: May 5th 2017 at 9:54:46 PM

Actually, I recommend going to that incel page because the VAST majority of the comments there are people insulting the original poster and hating the bill. It's hilarious.

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#187364: May 5th 2017 at 9:55:20 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] And everyone else caught in the middle.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#187365: May 5th 2017 at 9:57:20 PM

@Mad

If you think the Tea Party boys were "spineless opportunists" you don't know the Tea Party boys very well. They're ideologues of the first degree, and they've turned most of the GOP to their line of thinking.

Seriously, why are you so determined to downplay the racism faced by Obama?

@Beary Scary

"Involuntary celibate". Probably the most insane of all the factions that orbit the alt-right, they're a group of deranged lunatics who cannot make up their mind if they a) want all women to be strongarmed into dating them or b) if they want all women killed for needing to be strongarmed in the first place. What they do know is they want one of those things awful badly. Here's one of them discussing why raising a daughter is asking to be cucked.

Needless to say, they love Trump. Not because he'll make their lives better but because he'll hurt all the "Chads" and "Staceys" and "beta orbiters" and "normies" who they believe have ruined their lives. They're utterly insane—though given that their leading intellectual light, Internet troll Caamib (aka coconut aka That Incel Blogger and a few other aliases) once begged his mother to screw him and demanded sex from the judge in his sexual harassment trial, this is hardly surprising.

Regrettably, these people vote.

@Pushover Media Critic

The link is to FSTDT where quotes like that are collected and mocked. I didn't link to the actual incel website the quote is originally from; I wouldn't do that to the people in this thread. Though if you want to scar yourself forever, you can link to it from the FSTDT post.

edited 5th May '17 9:58:53 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#187366: May 5th 2017 at 10:00:53 PM

And what are they gonna do if things don't start going to their way if there's maximum opposition in the next years and Trump loses the presidency either in his first or second term?

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#187367: May 5th 2017 at 10:01:00 PM

Oh. Still funny.

FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#187368: May 5th 2017 at 10:10:02 PM

[up][up][up] Where the heck do you keep on hearing "Chads" and "Staceys"? That shit is so 70s it's hilarious.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#187369: May 5th 2017 at 10:11:17 PM

[up]That's literally what the incels call the girls who won't go for them and the guys they think the girls hook up with instead.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#187370: May 5th 2017 at 10:12:15 PM

Seriously, why are you so determined to downplay the racism faced by Obama?

I'm not. I'm arguing the basis behind the actions of the GOP's leader and who they really are . I don't think most of the GOP leaders hate/dislike Obama because he's black but because he's a Democratic President so anything will be used as ammo against him that plays well to their base just as they did with Hillary.

That's why I put extreme partisanship on equal footing with racism not below or above. They're inextricably linked.

edited 5th May '17 10:14:24 PM by MadSkillz

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#187371: May 5th 2017 at 10:12:39 PM

[up][up] caamib is completely and utterly out of his gourd. He at one point stalked and threatened to kill a teenage girl when he was in high school, and complained after getting caught that the only tragedy was he didn't get to murder her for inciting such attraction in him.

He's peas in a pod with fschmidt, who is a spiteful Social Darwinist and schemer who married a rich woman and is using her money to magnify his own wealth by suckering giving platforms to and opportunities to incels and other manosphere denizens.

edited 5th May '17 10:13:17 PM by NickTheSwing

FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#187372: May 5th 2017 at 10:13:39 PM

[up][up][up] I'm inclined to laugh at anyone who seriously uses those as a insult.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#187373: May 5th 2017 at 10:15:12 PM

I've never heard the term Chad or Stacey before until my Ambar brought it up

FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#187374: May 5th 2017 at 10:17:01 PM

[up] When I hear the word "Chad", I instantly think of a high-school bully/Jerk Jock.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#187375: May 5th 2017 at 10:17:08 PM

[up][up]Congratulations. You don't associate with incels. You're not missing much. Like I said, of all the alt-right groups out there they're probably the most unhinged.

[up]So do the incels. They live in a world where all women avoid "beta orbiters" and "sub 8 men" and instead have sex with alpha jock meatheads. Where every single girl likes the same kind of guy, and will spend her "most valuable years" "riding the cock carousel" of Chads, then finds a beta to settle on for those "beta bux" they'll need now that they're hideous hags of 30+.

They think that all the "normies" are engaged in a plot to try and conceal that the world really does work this way, and thus despise them intensely. Of course they also hate, in no particular order, MRAs, redpillers, PUAs, MGTOW, "modern Western society" and all women, so this is hardly surprising. Many of them are also staggeringly racist, fearing that the black version of Chad (whom they dub "Tyrone") is coming to "devalue" even more women. They're at war with most of the Internet, which is a good thing, because if they and the MRA, PUA, redpill, and MGTOW guys actually deemed up they'd control a depressing amount of the net.

To keep this on topic, most of the places they haunt were pretty pro-Trump and it was not because they thought they'd make the lives of incels better, or even because they liked him (if anything they tend to associate him with the Chad stereotype). They just figured he'd ruin everyone else's life and that was good enough.

@Nick the Swing

I know. He's come to FSTDT a few times to argue with the board. So has fschmidt. It's always somewhere between terrifying and sad.

edited 5th May '17 10:25:07 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar


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