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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Slate reviews Ivanka Trump's book
. It's about as brutal as you'd expect.
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I also wonder how much of their hatred of Pelosi is based on anything real.
In Unicorn Brigade land anyone who didn't endorse Sanders during the primaries is a corporatist shill.
edited 5th May '17 8:08:13 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
My point is that I think the GOP leaders aren't as racist as their base (although I acknowledge that plenty of the GOP are racist) but more taking control of a racist narrative to further their own agenda. As I said if Obama was elected somehow on their side, I'm betting they'd be quick to call out racism as a shield for opposing their chosen one.
The "partisanship" you are trying to positions as a separate yet equal cause of the right's hatred of him was motivated by racism, expressed via racism, and sold to people by way of racist tropes. They're not separate issues and to claim that racism is overstated as a cause of Republican hatred of Obama is ludicrous.
I'm arguing chicken or the egg here in concerns to the leaders not the base.
Personally, I believe the GOP latched onto racism to further their own agenda just like they did under Goldwater, Nixon and Reagan.
I don't think most of the GOP leaders hate Obama cause he's black, they hate him because he's not on their team.
edited 5th May '17 8:11:51 PM by MadSkillz
re: Pelosi: She's part of the Establishment™, and thus cannot be trusted. Also, she's apparently been critical of single-payer, and thus (as with all members of the Establishment™ who do not make single-payer the central tenet of their platform) cannot be trusted.
edited 5th May '17 8:15:45 PM by Blueeyedrat
@M84 It'd be perfectly reasonable to think so.
I think there are more spineless opportunists than true believers in the GOP but that the asylum is gradually being taken over by the latter (although some could argue it's already happened.)
Ultimately, yeah, it doesn't matter.
The only thing it changes is how you view the GOP. Are they full of wannabe KKK members or are they just spineless opportunists that only care about staying in power? A little of both? Lopsided more in one side's favor over the other?
edited 5th May '17 8:19:06 PM by MadSkillz
This passage from Ivanka's book made me laugh. I didn't know she was a comedienne. How do you classify this kind of comedy? I don't know how to categorize something so blatantly self-contradictory.
What a meaningless bunch of babble.
edited 5th May '17 8:23:56 PM by BearyScary
Do not obey in advance.I'd contend that "taking control of a racist narrative to further their own agenda" is itself racist.
They're not using racists to stay in power, they are racists, why? Because only a racist would think that it's acceptable to use super-explicit racists to stay in power.
The act of 'using' racists for personal gain is itself an act of racism.
edited 5th May '17 8:35:35 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
I suppose that's a reasonable argument to make.
It depends on how narrow or wide your definition of racist is.
The act of 'using' racists for personal gain is itself an act of racism.
It'd certainly make said person selfish and inhuman. But you could just not care about people at all and have equal disregard for everyone.
So you could argue that's less a racist mindset and more a self-centered one. A mindset you don't serve people just yourself
But it's a blurry line and as someone said it's pretty much a meaningless distinction.
edited 5th May '17 8:59:53 PM by MadSkillz
Trump continues to praise other nations Healthcare over the US's on Twitter.
He says that America's Healthcare "will be better soon", but he has to know (by now) that almost every other nation has Public Health care, and that the AHCA will probably not be good for the majority of Americans, so...
... It kind of makes me wonder... Is Trump intentionally trying to destroy the Private Insurance Industry? Because I'm convinced if the AHCA passes, especially in its current state, the Private Insurance Industry is going to collapse and cause a Recession, but that would allow him to make a Universal Health Care option. Something he wanted to do (according to an Article's Rumor back in February).
edited 5th May '17 8:49:41 PM by DingoWalley1
It's poison to Republicans right now; combined with the only Public Options in the US being available to the Super Poor, or Elderly (over 65), and Hospitals and Doctors can turn them away (or at least could before Obamacare).
But if the Private Insurers start going down like flies, due to all the Young, Healthy People not pouring money into the system, and the sick, Middle aged People not being able to afford the skyrocketed premiums, they'd have no choice but to make a Public Option; and Trump would take in all the Credit.
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It's obvious; they'd take Money from Young, Healthy People and pray they never have to give the money back. Problem is, without Obamacare, Premiums will skyrocket worse then under Obamacare, and Young People (who are already less likely to get Health Insurance) will be less likely to pay for these insane premiums.
Hence, a complete collapse in the Private Insurance Industry and a Recession.
This is like trying to split the difference between "acts of genocide" and "genocide". If you are prepared to push a racist narrative in the interests of maintaining your own power, then you can't claim you have no ill-will towards those people. Ruining someone's life in order to hold onto power is a pretty definitive example of ill-will.

LA Times on Jaffe
. When called out on his "old white guys" comment his response was to...denounce identity politics. Then talk about how he hoped to pull an upset on Pelosi "like our current president" did.
Now, the good news, as far as I know, is that while he's a rabid Sanders fanboy, and certain rabid Sanders fanboy sites are already starting to push for him (just punch his name into Google News and see what happens), Sanders himself has yet to endorse him, which should keep the number of diehard bros flocking to his cause to a minimum. I know that those of us in the thread have wildly differing views of Pelosi but, as evidenced by the general response to my earlier post on the topic, I think we mostly concur that this guy isn't the answer.
edited 5th May '17 8:03:35 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar